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Topic: 12 Dead @ Dark Knight Rises Premiere
Posted By: YINYANG
Subject: 12 Dead @ Dark Knight Rises Premiere
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 2:04pm
Article from CNN:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1" rel="nofollow - http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the people who were killed. Apparently the gunman threw in a canister of tear gas into the theatre and opened fire while walking up the isles. Such a waste of life.


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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 2:07pm
I've heard about this, too. Very interested in his yet unknown "motives"

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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 2:11pm
I swear there is a youtube video out of a guy filming the outside of the theatre after the shooting and the youtube comments are probably the worst I have ever seen. People making jokes about where was Batman to save them and horse **** like that. Sometimes I wonder about the human race smh.

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Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 2:17pm
"Authorities recovered four guns -- a rifle similar to an AR-15, a shotgun and two Glock handguns"

America -_-"

Discussions on forums and facebook goes how this could have been prevented.
Some say if security should have wore guns this would not have happened.
Imo it could just have an even worse ending if that was the case.
What would security do? Shoot bullets in a theater while people are in the line of fire ? -_-


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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 4:05pm
This is heart breaking :(

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Posted By: xander07306
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 4:14pm
Just goes to show you that anything can happen when you least expect it.... its crazy cuz all week, friends from different parts of the country were spotting "Batman" running around their neighborhoods... smh..weird stuff.... i feel bad for the ppl who were there as well as their families... makes me think bc me and my wife take our son to the theater and God forbid something were to happen..............

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 5:53pm
Why so serious?

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Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by Darkn3ss


America -_-"


ooooh don't start that crap up, you know as well as I do that other countries have the same sort of nut jobs.


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Posted By: Do_Or_Die_420
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 6:23pm

I plan on going to the theater tonight or tomorrow to see this movie.



Posted By: CKC_TRIPHOP
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

This is heart breaking :(

70 people and countless lives affected, I would say no motive but would agree with experts here that say underlying mental illness combined with some triggering event.

But I agree colossus heatbreaking just fricking heartbreaking! Cry


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 8:24pm
Allegedly the guy man an account at 9gag.com and warning people that he was going to shoot people up.
Also its alleged that the 9gag community egged him on and gave him "advice."
If thats true, that is sickening -___-.


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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by ax412

Allegedly the guy man an account at 9gag.com and warning people that he was going to shoot people up.
Also its alleged that the 9gag community egged him on and gave him "advice."
If thats true, that is sickening -___-.
im pretty sure that's a rumor started by the users of 4chan....lol which is more believable


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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by ax412

Allegedly the guy man an account at 9gag.com and warning people that he was going to shoot people up.
Also its alleged that the 9gag community egged him on and gave him "advice."
If thats true, that is sickening -___-.
Bro, that is not true.
The owners of 9gag have put a message on top their site, stating they have even searched their site for such posts, and they were not involved at all. Even if they were, the community wouldn't ever support that, maybe one or two idiots, but not the community ;o


I have read of another post such as the one you mentioned, on 4chan though. Not sure if its faked or not, but the guy wrote, two days before 
"Tired of life in general. I'm gonna hero at a dark knight screening on Friday
Wish me luck, I'm preparing, I already bought a firearm. I have been planning my attack and I will update you all if I escape. Yours truly
Not a summerfa.g"

Either way, it is sickening as it is :/



EDIT: This is the message on 9gag:
The Colorado ‘Dark Knight’ shooting is a devastating tragedy, and our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. When we initially heard the rumor that one of our users may have been involved, we did an immediate and thorough search of the site and found absolutely zero evidence that any of the alleged posts ever appeared on 9GAG. Any reports otherwise are completely untrue and we ask your help in putting this incredibly insensitive hoax to rest. Our hearts go out to the victims and their families and, as the investigation continues, we will certainly help in any way we can.


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by ax412

Allegedly the guy man an account at 9gag.com and warning people that he was going to shoot people up.
Also its alleged that the 9gag community egged him on and gave him "advice."
If thats true, that is sickening -___-.
Bro, that is not true.
The owners of 9gag have put a message on top their site, stating they have even searched their site for such posts, and they were not involved at all. Even if they were, the community wouldn't ever support that, maybe one or two idiots, but not the community ;o


I have read of another post such as the one you mentioned, on 4chan though. Not sure if its faked or not, but the guy wrote, two days before 
"Tired of life in general. I'm gonna hero at a dark knight screening on Friday
Wish me luck, I'm preparing, I already bought a firearm. I have been planning my attack and I will update you all if I escape. Yours truly
Not a summerfa.g"

Either way, it is sickening as it is :/



EDIT: This is the message on 9gag:
The Colorado ‘Dark Knight’ shooting is a devastating tragedy, and our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. When we initially heard the rumor that one of our users may have been involved, we did an immediate and thorough search of the site and found absolutely zero evidence that any of the alleged posts ever appeared on 9GAG. Any reports otherwise are completely untrue and we ask your help in putting this incredibly insensitive hoax to rest. Our hearts go out to the victims and their families and, as the investigation continues, we will certainly help in any way we can.
Good.

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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 9:16pm
9gag is full of too many hipster fa­ggots and 12 year olds to discuss anything like mass murder  :x

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Posted By: ckc_pamkitten
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 10:11pm
As a parent it is heartbreaking to hear stories like these and my heart goes out to those involved.  But I can't help but wonder why would anyone even bring a kid as young as 6 yrs old to a movie like this let alone at midnight? smh

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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 10:56pm
Alotta kids love Batman :/
Midnight showing?
Questionable, I had a hard time staying up late back then.


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 11:04pm
what makes a person that has never even been in trouble before dicide to do something so ruthless and evil like that? all those people just tryi'n to watch a movie without any clue what so ever to what was about to happen... innocent people including kids just getting gunned down for no reason at alll... its just so dam sad... he had to be 1 evil mutha fk'r... it would be very hard to believe that no one knew that he was that dam evil

i feel for the victoms and their family's... sh1t is just aweful!   



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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by SIZZLE

what makes a person that has never even been in trouble before dicide to do something so ruthless and evil like that? all those people just tryi'n to watch a movie without any clue what so ever to what was about to happen... innocent people including kids just getting gunned down for no reason at alll... its just so dam sad... he had to be 1 evil mutha fk'r... it would be very hard to believe that no one knew that he was that dam evil

i feel for the victoms and their family's... sh1t is just aweful!   

Yeah there had to have been some signs.


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Posted By: JPINATOR
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2012 at 11:14pm
I read that he booby-trapped his apartment too with explosives and trip wires with the capability of blowing up his apartment building and the surrounding ones. That's insane!!!


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 2:44am
i heard that he wanted to be like the joker... also heard that he had his stereo set to come on at midnight and blair loud music, so people would come to check it out and get blown up... there was too much planning for him to be just some wack job... dude was cold and calculating... thats just evil period

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Posted By: BAIN
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 8:35am
I hope CPS steps in and rescues some of these children that were at a midnight movie from their unfit parents. A three month old at a extremely loud midnight movie? Now there's a future tragedy that can be prevented.


Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 9:57am
all parents make some mistakes though Bain... i'm not high on removing kids from their parents... i've seen some seemingly bad parents totally turn it around and become great parents, and sometimes even great parents make bad decisions... a movie theatre should be care free even at midnight... this type of thing should just never ever happen

things like this always make me wonder why GOD didn't intervene?   

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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 11:42am
Originally posted by Do_Or_Die_420

I plan on going to the <a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">theater</a> tonight or tomorrow to see this movie.



I went to see it yesterday at IMAX, Its f***ing amazing. One of the best films Ive ever seen. Bain is a boss.

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Posted By: puertoRICAN
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 12:01pm
bain is great, not joker level but def made the character his own
Movie was great, i just think they could have trimmed it down a bit, and added some humor, for a nearly 3 hour long movie, i want to be able to laugh a few times here and there :l
still pretty amazing, one of the best series by far, and the ending was perfect the more i think about it


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Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 12:32pm
Son of a fakin b**** James Holmes. Such a sickening man. Who would do something like that.  
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1#0_undefined,0_" rel="nofollow - http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1#0_undefined,0_

I read that he told the police ' im the joker'
FU KIN AS S HOLE


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Posted By: HanFei
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 1:50pm
In other news, 184 people died in Syria. Total death toll is estimated to be over 12,000.
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2253841&language=en" rel="nofollow - http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2253841&language=en

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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 2:22pm
=(  Point taken Han-Fei, but it is still one of the largest mass murders in US history so CNN will put that story first. My condolences to the people who tried to run for the border.

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Posted By: RpZ-Xot1Cz
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 4:09pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYs9Cb4DQQ&feature=relmfu" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVYs9Cb4DQQ&feature=relmfu

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im tired.


Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:14pm
Who cares about Syria... worry about our country first.

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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Who cares about Syria... worry about our country first.
.. I hope you're drunk.. or just joking.


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Posted By: ut3lve
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Who cares about Syria... worry about our country first.
.. I hope you're drunk.. or just joking.
uneducated buffoon! his a complete red neck with no sense of moral compess

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:41pm
Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Who cares about Syria... worry about our country first.
.. I hope you're drunk.. or just joking.
Neither actually, but this is a thread about what happened in Colorado. Not a thread about Syria, so if what happened in Syria needs to be known start a new thread about it. No sense in making one bad thing look lesser because more people died there. Keep them seperate. Its fvcking stupid that when something like this happens someone has to one up it. Like i said, let people talk about what happened in Colorado in the thread about what happened in Colorado and start a new fvcking thread about Syria. One tragedy isn't worse than another.
 
 


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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Who cares about Syria... worry about our country first.
.. I hope you're drunk.. or just joking.
Neither actually, but this is a thread about what happened in Colorado. Not a thread about Syria, so if what happened in Syria needs to be known start a new thread about it. No sense in making one bad thing look lesser because more people died there. Keep them seperate. Its fvcking stupid that when something like this happens someone has to one up it. Like i said, let people talk about what happened in Colorado in the thread about what happened in Colorado and start a new fvcking thread about Syria. One tragedy isn't worse than another.
 
 
Okay, why didn't you just say so ;) but make it sound like what happened in Syria, or better say, happens there everyday is meaningless because there's something that happened in your country

btw I'm not trying to downgrade this in any way.
I can understand HanFei though, I had a similar outburst one year ago, when Amy Whinehouse died. I think it was the same day that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway


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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by -DaGoN-

day that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway
one year ago today  o_0


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 7:53pm
The gov't still ain't taking away our right to bear arms.

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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by Phenethylamine

Originally posted by -DaGoN-

day that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway
one year ago today  o_0
Ya that's why I remembered it


Phant, do you approve that right ? I don't remember
Although I guess you don't
I did hear that he got all guns legally, I can't understand that, simply can't..


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:01pm
Nah we should be allowed the right to bear arms.
We can't stop crazies from getting guns.
We can work to stop cops/soldiers with post traumatic stress from going nuts.

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by ax412

Nah we should be allowed the right to bear arms.
We can't stop crazies from getting guns.
We can work to stop cops/soldiers with post traumatic stress from going nuts.
agree

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Posted By: CKC_TRIPHOP
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:09pm
just remember guns don't kill people, people kill people, and we shouldn't let one persons crazy actions change our constitutional rights, as well as the sanctity of how we go see  movie on a Saturday night with our families! 




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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:46pm
i don't think people need semi automatic or automatic rifles... our government probably sells more weapons then everyone else combined... Dems talk about gun control and then get busted shipping arms to Mexico? u can't believe anything that any politician says... Dem or Rep

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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 11:43pm
Remind the media, that an AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

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Posted By: ckc_pamkitten
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:45am
Originally posted by -DaGoN-


I did hear that he got all guns legally, I can't understand that, simply can't..


What is difficult to understand?  He broke no laws, had no criminal background except one speeding ticket and no (known) documented indications of mental instability. Would it be better if he had gotten them illegally?  Made it somewhat more comprehensible?  It still would not have changed what it is..an obviously deranged individual who was set on causing harm.

I personally believe that there needs to be some limitation to what can be bought but the laws in place are enough.  It is impossible to prevent every possible situation.  To do that would be giving up too much of our rights.  Besides, he seems off centered enough that if he couldn't do it legally then he would have had no moral issues with doing it illegally. 


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Posted By: xander07306
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:05am
Originally posted by ckc_pamkitten

Originally posted by -DaGoN-


I did hear that he got all guns legally, I can't understand that, simply can't..


What is difficult to understand?  He broke no laws, had no criminal background except one speeding ticket and no (known) documented indications of mental instability. Would it be better if he had gotten them illegally?  Made it somewhat more comprehensible?  It still would not have changed what it is..an obviously deranged individual who was set on causing harm.

I personally believe that there needs to be some limitation to what can be bought but the laws in place are enough.  It is impossible to prevent every possible situation.  To do that would be giving up too much of our rights.  Besides, he seems off centered enough that if he couldn't do it legally then he would have had no moral issues with doing it illegally. 
Yes but we all have to agree that it was easier for him to purchase a semi-automatic weapon legally than otherwise. im sure a kid with no criminal background and studying neuroscience would find it VERY difficult to buy these weapons on the street. If anything, businesses should just sell handguns.. no need to sell such destructive artillery to the public... most illegal weapons on the street were initially purchased legally and made their way into the black market

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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 4:26am
dude's nuts but nothing special when compared to all the other nuts worldwide who have their hand in killing children & other people everyday but we forget about them so much quicker because the media chooses not to make a spectacle of them. horrible incident as any loss of human life is....the world would be so much better off without guns, and those people who say we need guns for safety are full of it, its their kind of paranoia & fear that enables this sort of stuff to happen more frequently & more violently then it would otherwise.

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 7:26am
My state brings in most of its profit from hunting. Think about things like that before you say ban guns. Besides its our right. Start taking those away and you start taking away our freedom.

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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 7:27am
Originally posted by ckc_pamkitten

Originally posted by -DaGoN-


I did hear that he got all guns legally, I can't understand that, simply can't..


What is difficult to understand?  He broke no laws, had no criminal background except one speeding ticket and no (known) documented indications of mental instability. Would it be better if he had gotten them illegally?  Made it somewhat more comprehensible?  It still would not have changed what it is..an obviously deranged individual who was set on causing harm.

I personally believe that there needs to be some limitation to what can be bought but the laws in place are enough.  It is impossible to prevent every possible situation.  To do that would be giving up too much of our rights.  Besides, he seems off centered enough that if he couldn't do it legally then he would have had no moral issues with doing it illegally. 
Well I obviously just see things differently then.
To me, it's a secret why people like this have it so easy. Okay, keep your right to bear a handgun, but as Xander said, why so destructive weapons. Why make it so easy.
Weapons multiply peoples power to kill


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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 7:30am
Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

My state brings in most of its profit from hunting. Think about things like that before you say ban guns. Besides its our right. Start taking those away and you start taking away our freedom.
I'm not trying to take away anything, it's YOUR right as you said. I could care less, I was just giving an Europeans point of view about this.

We don't have that right and live in perfect freedom
A hunter is of course allowed to keep a rifle here though, with the right license. They just need to fulfill certain requirements, on how to store them, seperate from ammunition etc.


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 10:20am
if gun control wasn't so politicized then maybe there could be some rational decisions made on the issue, but unfortunately people are totally devided and unwilling to be open minded on the issue... if politicians weren't so full of sh1t, hypocritical and political about the issue then they'd probably be able to make gun laws better without needing a total ban on all guns, but there will never be a way to stop this type of thing! there's just too many guns in the world now... criminals such as illegal arms dealers will always be there ready to sell this same type of person whatever weapons they can afford... our law inforcement and legal system obviously can't handle gun control and keep us all safe... were a Country with 300 million citizens... there's always going to be a few that have no love or respect for life for whatever reason, and there's not much that can be done about that... hope for the best, but be prepaired for the worse would lead a smart law abiding citizen to think that he needs to have a 9mm baretta strapped to his side and a gun permit in his pocket at all times, but i just couldn't ever see myself carry'ing a gun period... if i was in this same situation just try'n to watch a movie, and i had kids with me and i had a gun? how could i not shoot this dude even though i don't believe in killing for any reason? i don't ever want to take a persons life so i'll never carry a gun... i'll leave the rest up to GOD to decide

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 11:06am
Why make gun laws at all though? Criminals are breaking the law anyways why would they follow that one? Lol just dumb to even consider.

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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 11:48am
ayyy a burglar is comin at my wife and kids with a knife and he's twice my size....brb i gotta go to my basement and unlock my gun cabinet and then put in the ammo.....  XD

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:05pm
Lol mine are all fully loaded locked in a gun cabinet in our bedroom. Has a glass door on it so its safe from Our 7 yr old yet easily accessible with a key or break the damn glass if I have to.... guns worthless without one in the chamber :S

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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:13pm
there are other means of hunting seph and there are also other viable means of income ur stat could choose to use in place of hunting so no guns are not necessary...and again its that fear that tells u in the back of ur head that ur not safe without a gun that ends up fuelling the whole drive for weapons not as hunting tools but killing tools

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:23pm
I could see how someone from California would have those kinda views. But that's all we have here. You take away hunting with guns and we lose 70% of our travels that come here for pheasant and deer hunting. That would kill our economy and we would go downhill fast. You don't have the knowledge to be making claims like that.

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:34pm
even though some criminals will break the gun laws Seph, gun laws still serve some purpose... thats like saying lets do away with all laws, because some people are just going to break them anyway... i think its more about who's willing to pull a trigger and for what reason, then it is about who has the bigger and bad'r guns, and most criminals don't just come up to you and say (hey i'm about to shoot you, so you may want to pull out your gun if you have one) if their willing to shoot you and they intend to shoot you then id say that they usually just shoot you, so having a gun wont prevent everything that could happen regardless of what type of gun it is, but restricting certain guns through gun laws can make it harder to buy certain types of guns and that alone may save someones life and a family from going through the horrible grief that these family's are going through now... what legit reason is there for someone having a semiauto or auto rifle other then the military? not even 1 that i can think of... banning every semi and full auto rifle and sending anyone thats caught with 1 straight to jail wouldn't bother me at all... there's just no need for those types of guns in a civilized society

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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:40pm
i understand what ur sayn as well as the different lifestyle out there but again....there are other methods of hunting, guns are not a necessity just a luxury in that aspect. also in todays world the are alot of other industries that, if the state of S. Dakota chose to, could just as well pick up that 70% slack, people are just set in their ways but humans survived b4 guns its not like with all our moder technology we couldnt easily survive without them again

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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:54pm
it's not an irrational fear to believe that people will invade your home and **** or kill your family

it's happened plenty   o_O

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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:09pm
Trust me you will never stop violence , it just so happens that he used a gun to commit the crime. He could have easily used some sort of biological weapon since he was in the field of neuroscience but he chose to do it this way. I saw the picture of him in court today and he looked completely unplugged from reality. Be thankful it was not you or your family or friends that this happened to. Sad fact is events like this will always happen in our world, it will never stop because how can you police or diagnose an illness when it is so well hidden within someones mind? So just hope that you will not be in the crossfire when something like this happens again.

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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by Phenethylamine

it's not an irrational fear to believe that people will invade your home and **** or kill your family

it's happened plenty   o_O

cars can be used to kill people as well lets take away those
I don't think cars are designed to kill..

A burglar twice your size, you can shoot him with a taser gun e.g. Isn't that enough ?
You cannot use that one to kill 12 people at a cinema, but it deserves the purpose of protecting yourself and your family.
I don't understand your mindset, but it's okay it's your country and your laws :P


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:11pm
well i've never even locked my back door at night, so i guess fear is just not my thang... GOD has taken pretty good care of me and my family so far so i'll just keep trusting in him instead of believing that i'm capable of shooting some assault rifle in my sleep     

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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by Phenethylamine

it's not an irrational fear to believe that people will invade your home and **** or kill your family

it's happened plenty   o_O

cars can be used to kill people as well lets take away those
I don't think cars are designed to kill..

A burglar twice your size, you can shoot him with a taser gun e.g. Isn't that enough ?
You cannot use that one to kill 12 people at a cinema, but it deserves the purpose of protecting yourself and your family.
I don't understand your mindset, but it's okay it's your country and your laws :P
Handgun > taser
if anyone invades your home they deserve a bullet to the chest

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by TX2k7

i understand what ur sayn as well as the different lifestyle out there but again....there are other methods of hunting, guns are not a necessity just a luxury in that aspect. also in todays world the are alot of other industries that, if the state of S. Dakota chose to, could just as well pick up that 70% slack, people are just set in their ways but humans survived b4 guns its not like with all our moder technology we couldnt easily survive without them again
gotta look at businesses too... what would happen to cabelas, scheels, sportsman's warehouse and many other shops nationwide and big time in the Midwest? You'd kill them off making the unemployment rate even worse. And who hints with a bow and arrow or a knife? Hardly anyone cuz its not what ppl want. Gun ban isn't the answer.

I agree with banning full autos syz. But not semi autos.

As far as protection how in The world could someone believe a tazer will save you from a gun man?

I'd have more points to argue but I'm at work on my phone. When I get home I'll be able to discuss this better


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:50pm
just watch 1 episode of Sons of guns and you'll see plenty of excessive guns being made and or sold. and they don't even seem to care too much about who's buying them? the daughter is smoking hott :o i can't help it... smoking hott girls always deserve atleast a mention :->

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by TX2k7

i understand what ur sayn as well as the different lifestyle out there but again....there are other methods of hunting, guns are not a necessity just a luxury in that aspect. also in todays world the are alot of other industries that, if the state of S. Dakota chose to, could just as well pick up that 70% slack, people are just set in their ways but humans survived b4 guns its not like with all our moder technology we couldnt easily survive without them again
gotta look at businesses too... what would happen to cabelas, scheels, sportsman's warehouse and many other shops nationwide and big time in the Midwest? You'd kill them off making the unemployment rate even worse. And who hints with a bow and arrow or a knife? Hardly anyone cuz its not what ppl want. Gun ban isn't the answer.

I agree with banning full autos syz. But not semi autos.

As far as protection how in The world could someone believe a tazer will save you from a gun man?

I'd have more points to argue but I'm at work on my phone. When I get home I'll be able to discuss this better


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Posted By: CKC_TRIPHOP
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:04pm
My step father was a gun dealer/pawn broker and I spent alot of time traveling to gun shows. I can tell you an AR-15 is the civilian equivelent to the M-16 and is NOT a hunting rifle. But banning these weapons is a slippery slope. Due to the fact that other guns that are legit will be affected by it. the brady bill is an example of how a law and restriction was passed to keep the gun out of the wrong hands but in the end it really does not stop any of these crimes. Yes it may keep a gun out of the wrong hands(which they go to the streets or victimize someone to get it illegally). It also though is a burden and not fair to honest hardworking "gun enthusiasts". So more laws against guns are touchy because in the end it seems to affect gun owners more than criminals. the laws we have in place atm serve their purpose. 
In the end the only thing that should change (if anything at all) is that theaters alarm emergency exit doors and make people exit through the front. But changing laws and taking away our freedoms is only giving gun control people a soapbox to stand on. we are a proud nation of gun owners and they are responsible, If their were no guns this guy would have driven his car through a huge crowd. (but then we would have to outlaw cars lol)




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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:07pm
semi auto can hold the same ammo and amount of ammo and have close to the same fire rate as an auto though Seph.. there's hardly any difference at all

if a grizzly charges at you? what type of weapon would have the best chance at saving your life? would it even be a gun? would a gun even guarantee your safety? no! same goes for a person with a gun thats about to try to shoot you

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:09pm
What? Yeah a gun would save me from a bear. Ive shot a bear. It works. I made a new thread foe all of this

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:11pm
And holds the same ammo bit fire rate is way different

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:37pm
to hell with gun enthusiasts that want excessive guns! thats a fk'd up point imo... they can get a different fk'n hobby... guns are created to kill period! death isn't no fk'n hobby... they can just toss a fk'n bowling ball or swing a dam golf club or drop a dam fishing line

look Jimbob, i had em build me a triple uzi... it aint accurate fur sh1t, but this baby fires 4000 rounds a minute... i can't miss hu hu hu

sounds more like an accident or an unknown nut case just waiting to happen then a hobby to me

freedom is VERY important, but some sh1t has to be controlled by law... too many idiots, radicals and flat out nut cases to just let anyone have access to excessive guns just because there's enthusiasts that think bad ass guns are cool    

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

What? Yeah a gun would save me from a bear. Ive shot a bear. It works. I made a new thread foe all of this


2 of the top hunters in the world were attacked by different grizzly's and they both shot the grizzly's multiple times... one grizzly killed one of the hunters before he died and the other grizzly mangled the other hunter so bad that he would have also died if he wouldn't have gotten help by friends that got him to a hospitol real quick... that grizzly survived despite the multiple powerful gunshots

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Posted By: OneMan1Army
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm
Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.

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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by OneMan1Army

Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.
psh let him go to jail and get booty rayped for life


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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by Phenethylamine


Originally posted by OneMan1Army

Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.

psh let him go to jail and get booty rayped for life


but what if he likes getting booty rayped? in that case he would probably love spending the rest of his life in jail

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by Phenethylamine


Originally posted by OneMan1Army

Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.

psh let him go to jail and get booty rayped for life
agreed. Tattoo a set of tits on his ass checks and let Bubba go to town

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Posted By: ckc_pamkitten
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 12:19am
Originally posted by Phenethylamine

Originally posted by OneMan1Army

Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.
psh let him go to jail and get booty rayped for life


He'll be in protective custody the entire time he's in prison..regretfully this will never happen


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Posted By: CKC_TRIPHOP
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 12:58am
Originally posted by ckc_pamkitten

Originally posted by Phenethylamine

Originally posted by OneMan1Army

Whomever James Holmes is deserves the death sentence like the DC Sniper. It's ridiculous for him to killed incident people for no reason.
psh let him go to jail and get booty rayped for life


He'll be in protective custody the entire time he's in prison..regretfully this will never happen

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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 5:23am
Originally posted by puertoRICAN

bain is great, not joker level but def made the character his own
Movie was great, i just think they could have trimmed it down a bit, and added some humor, for a nearly 3 hour long movie, i want to be able to laugh a few times here and there :l
still pretty amazing, one of the best series by far, and the ending was perfect the more i think about it


Humour isnt part of Christopher Nolan films, he makes serious films, Its just what you should expect when you see one of his films. That is why he is my favourite films maker because he actually makes epic and serious films where as like the Iron man Films I don't like because of all the corny jokes and humour.

everyone to their oen but I prefer the straight up serious and epic films instead of the Iron man type cheesy films.

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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 5:33am
Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen.

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

Gun's are for the armed forces and police, not for a civilian like me or you, If a burglar comes in your house then kick his fn a s s and stop been a P U S S Y thinking your gonna die coz you don't have a gun.

America is a great country but also a very very pathetic one at times.

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Posted By: puertoRICAN
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 5:57am
Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Originally posted by puertoRICAN

bain is great, not joker level but def made the character his own
Movie was great, i just think they could have trimmed it down a bit, and added some humor, for a nearly 3 hour long movie, i want to be able to laugh a few times here and there :l
still pretty amazing, one of the best series by far, and the ending was perfect the more i think about it


Humour isnt part of Christopher Nolan films, he makes serious films, Its just what you should expect when you see one of his films. That is why he is my favourite films maker because he actually makes epic and serious films where as like the Iron man Films I don't like because of all the corny jokes and humour.

everyone to their oen but I prefer the straight up serious and epic films instead of the Iron man type cheesy films.
Nolan is one of my fav directors, love every one of his films, and i know he is a much more serious director, and coming off of TDK and Inception, i expected nothing but epicness.
Still, for a nearly 3 hour long movie, i feel there should have been a little more humor to move the movie along a bit faster. in TDK, they had the joker, so i understand why they couldnt really fill the void on this one..
I just saw the movie a 2nd time and in IMAX and i like it whole lot more, damn near perfect movie, and one of the best trilogies ever made.


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Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 5:57am
Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen.

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

Gun's are for the armed forces and police, not for a civilian like me or you, If a burglar comes in your house then kick his fn a s s and stop been a P U S S Y thinking your gonna die coz you don't have a gun.

America is a great country but also a very very pathetic one at times.

I agree, but disagree to the fact that you think you stand a chance to a burglar with a gun.
He doesn't carry it to NOT being able to use it..


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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 7:30am
Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen.

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

Gun's are for the armed forces and police, not for a civilian like me or you, If a burglar comes in your house then kick his fn a s s and stop been a P U S S Y thinking your gonna die coz you don't have a gun.

America is a great country but also a very very pathetic one at times.
you're such a dumbass

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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 7:53am
Originally posted by Darkn3ss


Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen.

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

Gun's are for the armed forces and police, not for a civilian like me or you, If a burglar comes in your house then kick his fn a s s and stop been a P U S S Y thinking your gonna die coz you don't have a gun.

America is a great country but also a very very pathetic one at times.


I agree, but disagree to the fact that you think you stand a chance to a burglar with a gun.
He doesn't carry it to NOT being able to use it..


Guess what I keep in my house next to the door? a hard varnished piece of wood that knock and elephant out = Don't need a Gun. plus I have never been mugged or threatened with a gun or a knife in the UK.

Americans are Over the top with everything especially with Guns.



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Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 7:54am
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Posted By: Darkn3ss
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 9:01am
Honest? 

Too repetitive and too much drama buildings with no climax :(


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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 9:09am
Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen. 
You're one stupid motherfu­cker.
A sick person is a sick person. If someone doesn't have a gun they'll still get the job done another  way. Whether it be slowly killing people low key or driving their car into a building. Obviously the gun helps but the person is still f­ucked in the head.

psh you'd probably stand a chance against a pu­ssy british burglar....BUT NOT A 500lb  BIG ASS AMERICAN THUG DUDE AND HIS BUDDY


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 9:10am
Lol CS we have nearly 5x the population of the UK.


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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Phenethylamine


Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen. 

You're one stupid motherfu­cker.
A sick person is a sick person. If someone doesn't have a gun they'll still get the job done another  way. Whether it be slowly killing people low key or driving their car into a building. Obviously the gun helps but the person is still f­ucked in the head.

psh you'd probably stand a chance against a pu­ssy british burglar....BUT NOT A 500lb  BIG ASS AMERICAN THUG DUDE AND HIS BUDDY
fvcking right

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Posted By: YINYANG
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 9:29am
Originally posted by ax412

Lol CS we have nearly 5x the population of the UK.

And you say america's murder rate is also 5X the murder rate of the UK. YOU DON'T SAY =P


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Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 10:00am
Originally posted by YINYANG


Originally posted by ax412

Lol CS we have nearly 5x the population of the UK.


And you say america's murder rate is also 5X the murder rate of the UK. YOU DON'T SAY =P
haha nah that part I wasn't implying.


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Posted By: ColossusSlayer
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 10:48am
@ penguin, so big guys like that don't live in Britain? your an idiot of you think that they don't, the UK has some of the hardest men in the world.

@ Phant, more extreme things happen all year round in the U.S than in the UK. I feel safer here than I would in America.

I am not saying Britain is better than America over all, I plan on moving to a different country at some point over the next 10 years coz I'm sick of England, In general it does my head in.

A massacre in a cinema with SMG's, Pistols and tear gas will never happen in the UK, Only in America and that's my whole point.

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Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 10:54am
hell naw CS... now you just sound dumb... 4 real dude... maybe its just the way you word sh1t? are you really try'n to say that Americans are dumb for having the right to bear arms? well Brittian is getting more fk'd up by the moment ... progressives have already turned Brittian into a welfare nation... progressives have been try'n to do the same thing here for decades, but they have failed over and over... why is that? because were not that dumb... Brittian has even gotten a lot closer to losing its solvency, because of progressives

progressives are some sneaky little mutha fk'rs though, and yall are probably just too busy enjoying all those extra handouts

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Posted By: CKC_TRIPHOP
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 10:55am
[QUOTE=ColossusSlayer]Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this 

I can't expect you to understand why we feel this way because you were raised in the uk, different cultures have different values, this doesn't make us pathetic man, nor does it make you a dumda**. your entitled to your opinion but we have just as many historical reasons for our laws as you do.


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Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Sephiroth_V7

Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen.

In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.

In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).

Gun's are for the armed forces and police, not for a civilian like me or you, If a burglar comes in your house then kick his fn a s s and stop been a P U S S Y thinking your gonna die coz you don't have a gun.

America is a great country but also a very very pathetic one at times.
you're such a dumbass

He is beyond a dumbass Seph.

CS, you have no f*cking clue what you are talking about. Retarded ass motherf*cker making generalized comments about a society in which you have absolutely zero idea how things are except for what you read in books and pick up through the media. It would take your stupid ass a decade+ of living here before you'd be able to make any intelligent contributions to the conversation.   


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Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 12:01pm
Seph, I have a nice setup for secure firearm storage you might want to check out. Of course it'll cost you around $1500  but that's money well spent. Buy a big iron safe (and bolt that b!tch down!) for every one of your guns but one. I purchased a Bighorn Classic 36ECB from Costco for $1000 shipped not too long ago but I see they are currently sold out of that model.

Then buy a one gun safe for your bedside such as http://www.gunvault.com/sv500.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.gunvault.com/sv500.html .

With this setup your firearms are much more secure from theft, an intruder can't use your guns against you (unless they're a professional thief and have been drilling in your safe for some time but this is highly unlikely), and your daughter (now and down the road, especially when she has a boyfriend in ten years who might be tempted to play with your toys) can't touch your guns. You still have a quick way of protecting your family via the SpeedVault next to your bed. What's your handgun of choice? Mine would be either my Sig P226 (9mm) or Kimber TLE 1911. LOL, now that I think about it neither of those are in my bedside safe... 

Of course there is a downside to your firearms being more secure. That would be if a situation arose where your daughter needed to access one of your firearms for her safety. Of course this can be negated by introducing firearms to your daughter at a young age so she is comfortable with them, and also having a good enough relationship with her though her teens years so she can be trusted with the safe code.

Here is a little story to accentuate the above paragraph. I live in Indian Head Park, IL. To get a good idea of what the town is like, here is the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Head_Park,_Illinois" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Head_Park,_Illinois . Back in October of 2011, the town had its first recorded murder. A 14 year old girl came home about 4pmish and was stabbed to death by a burglar. This tragedy occurred in the nicest section of town, which was tucked away in the corner and not easily accessed. If this happened at either of our houses, we'd definitely want our daughter to know the safe code, regardless of the outcome. The is some disturbing aftermath to the story but i don't really want to go into it. A simple google search can please eager minds. 

You're from South Dakota so the negative influences during teens years probably aren't as prevalent as they are here in the Chicagoland area. What I mean by this for the most part is greater influence to do drugs coupled with easier access to them. Suburban kids are getting f*cked up on heroin (obtained with ease) all the time. Many die or go on to live the rest of their miserable life enslaved to that crap.

Of course, meth is probably more prevalent in your area due to you being more rural. That is a whole other beast by itself. Oh, and my point about drugs is that you probably have a slightly less chance of your daughter getting f***ed up in life (which means it will be more likely you'll entrust her with the safe code at some point) solely based on you living out in SD. This is just pure speculation though, as my mind operates in percentages sometimesConfused

I have a daughter (3yo) as well so that is why I have made these suggestionsWink     


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Posted By: TX2k7
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 12:47pm
u know there is such a thing as non-lethal weapons that could just as easily incappacitate anyone, and yet no1 seems to consider this yall let ur paranoia drive ur decision making. if guns were completely gone, most people would be disuaded from carrying crimes out, since a majority are just punks or desperate people who really dont wanna kill in the first place and the prospect of havn to do it up close and personal is alot more intimidating. without guns...guess what no drive-by shootings killing random ppl in their houses, no stray bullets to hit kids while they play outside...but ur all so scared about something that in all likelyhood u will pretty much NEVER have to face in ur life.

the economy will be just fine without guns...industry will not suffer...the human race will make due and go on.

there are alternatives that are actually alot more reasonable and yet like with everything else our species does we'll hv to be dragged kicking and screaming like the little children we all are into doin something thatd actually benefit us


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Posted By: Phenethylamine
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by TX2k7

if guns were completely gone, most people would be disuaded from carrying crimes out
lmao, actually i'd feel even safer if i was a burglar. knowing the shrimpy dude im robbin doesnt have a gun  (;

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Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 1:40pm
@ TX, firearms are here to stay. They are so firmly entrenched in this country and society that the idea of a total gun ban is just not a reality. This country would be engulfed in a revolution if the gov't tried to strip the citizens of their arms, and they know that. Maybe not a total revolution, but things wouldn't be pretty, that's for damned sure.  The firearms industry can't be banned, only regulated.

Everyone else: Any heavy regulation (on the state or federal level) on firearms will only hurt law abiding citizens. Anything that gets regulated or banned, the criminals will still have access to because of how much has been manufactured and pumped out since the Federal AWB expired. Give the criminals an unfair advantage over the regulated law abiding citizens? I don't f*cking think so! This especially applies to our borders down in Arizona where the well armed cartels (thanks to Eric Holder) are marching their product across the border on private citizen's land. On a side note, once this country gets its domestic drone operation fully functional the cartels are going to have a major thorn in their side!  Yes, there are certain areas where rules (regarding lawful citizens) could be tightened a pinch (gun show loophole, etc.) but that's about it.  There are already so many guns out in circulation that it doesn't matter what if anything is banned. So many f*cking AR-15's have been sold during the last election craze and this one already (and it's only July lol) that the numbers are astoundingShocked Same for 30 round magazines. I should know, I have 3 AR's (down from 5) and about 25-30 30rnd magazines for themBig smile

Let's say Obama gets elected (which he will) and decides to go on an anti-gun agenda. Let's say he manages to do what Clinton did 94' but on a permanent basis (not expiring in 04' like Clinton's did). As previously stated, this won't mean surrender your AR-15's. It simply means that manufacturers have to stop making them (from a specified date on) and gun stores can't sell them anymore. They may be able to get rid of existing stock but that is it. Citizens will still be able to trade them privately, unless the gov't tries to regulate private sales which it already thinks are too loose. Enough AR's out in circulation equals retained ease for a twisted individual (intent on killing many people) to obtain an AR. So banning "assault weapons" is technically pointless. Banning and confiscating AR's wouldn't go over  well and the gov't would have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they went that route. I'm not religious, but thank god for the huge lobbyist group  known as the NRA!

If the AWB never expired in 04', this argument would definitely be different. Probably would've been easier to keep them banned. But, fortunately for us firearm enthusiasts, that's not the case.    
Increasing penalties for serious firearm related offenses is really the only logical option. Prosecuting felons for illegal gun possession under federal law vs state law (throughout the whole USA) would be a great start. Federal guidelines call for a mandatory minimum of 10 years in prison. Felons throughout the country would be ****ting bricks thinking about what's gonna happen when Johnny Law finds the piece of **** old revolver tucked in their waistband.

Also in regards to fully automatic weapons, I'm pretty sure that one has to get a NFA tax stamp from the ATF in order to do so. This is a rather lengthy process and therefore highly unlikely to be used in any crime. Suppressors and short barreled rifles are also regulated with NFA stamps. Only certain states allow NFA items as well.

YINYANG had it down pretty well with his post a few pages ago in regards to mental illness. That is the real issue at the center of the Aurora tragedy.

   

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Posted By: Sephiroth_V7
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 1:41pm
You don't realize how much hunting drives south Dakota or the midwest tx.

Chisox nice story lol. I hear ya though but that would get a little spend for me. I have 23 guns :s... my (step) daughter is 7 and I'm just intoducing her to a. 22 rifle :) she. Sucks but will get the hang of it haha. Gotta son on the way due next month so yes, I have the same views as you :)

I agree with penq as well.... wouldn't that make robbers more confident?

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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Phenethylamine

Originally posted by ColossusSlayer

Some of you American's are pathetic, anyone who thinks Guns should be legal are a fu cking joke, We don't have Guns in the UK and I'm glad we don't so sick stuff like this doesn't happen. 
You're one stupid motherfu­cker.
A sick person is a sick person. If someone doesn't have a gun they'll still get the job done another  way. Whether it be slowly killing people low key or driving their car into a building. Obviously the gun helps but the person is still f­ucked in the head.

psh you'd probably stand a chance against a pu­ssy british burglar....BUT NOT A 500lb  BIG ASS AMERICAN THUG DUDE AND HIS BUDDY
Why are people soo hung up on size?  He may be 500lbs, but his face will shatter just like anyone elses...


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Posted By: chisox666
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2012 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by TX2k7


the economy will be just fine without guns...industry will not suffer...the human race will make due and go on.




Maybe on a "federal" level yes the economy would be ok, but across America there would be severe ramifications and hardship for all the folks who depend on the gun industry for jobs. These jobs range from the gun shop owner and his counter b!tches, to the online (gun, parts, accessories) store owners and employees, to the traveling sales representative, manufacturing workers, gunsmiths and everyone in the service departments, to even everyone in the corporate background. The white collared workers who lose their jobs won't be affected like the blue collar workers will. What you're suggesting would be the equal of taking away their livelihood. They will not be just fine.

    


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