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Topic: COPENHAGEN meeting
Posted By: LOL-i-ZER
Subject: COPENHAGEN meeting
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 4:49am
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the meeting for reducing the CO² emission is about to happen. here are "efforts" the main countries plan to implement by 2020: US: -17% (by 2005) equal to -5% to 1990 (Kyoto) CHINA: - 40% by 1990 (hard to control) japan: -25% by 1990 EU: -20% by 1990------------- OUCH !! THAT HURTS Free Agent |
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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 7:01am
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Hard not to care... problem is that the countries that do care have a very minute impact on the larger outcome. Even if the UK stopped all emissions, I think China could more that make up for it in a week.
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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 11:49am
exactly and china's car stock is roughly 32 million in a nation of over 1billion!
The western half of the country is still developing and let's not forgwt rapidly growing India with over a billion population and similar stats in terms of car ownership.
As these countries economies grow at break neck speeds they will consume more than just Gasoline. (steel, copper, aluminum, coal, and dozens of other natural resources)
Nothing glorious leader Obama can do to stop it.
The global warming scare is western politicians excuse for imposing more control over western economies.
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Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 11:50am
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I voted "I care" but not for the reason you intended. IMO it should have been cancelled until a thorough investigation of the scientists and institutions caught up in the climate-gate scandal is done. Charges should be brought against all those who are found to have lied, tampered with data and gotten rid of data after Freedom of Information requests had been made. The level And by the way, China's proposal of a 40 percent reduction is not what it seems...they are proposing a 40% reduction in INTENSITY of emissions, whatever that means, as opposed to a 40% reduction in actual emissions. |
Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2009 at 11:52am
| Global warming doesn't exist. If there are trying to reduce air pollution, then I'm all for it. |
Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 11:15am
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According to James Delingpole at the Telegraph there are two lawsuits in the offing against scientists at the Climate Research Unit (where the emails and docs were hacked) for criminal fraud. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018556/climategate-its-all-unravelling-now/ - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018556/climategate-its-all-unravelling-now/
According to Mr. Delingpole the lawsuits will claim that scientists at the CRU:
"....have gained funding and career advancement by twisting data, hiding evidence, and shutting out dissenters by corrupting the peer-review process...."
Hopefully these are the first of many and Copenhagen will be stopped in its tracks.
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Posted By: LOL-i-ZER
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 1:39pm
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so one cheater means all the scientists are cheaters... you're pathetic ! ------------- OUCH !! THAT HURTS Free Agent |
Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 6:38pm
 Aside from the fact that it is NOT just one scientist but many scientists AND, by a**ociation the very institutions they represent. This may well be only the tip of the iceberg, NASA has been stonewalling on a Freedom of Information request for TWO years!! We shall see in the coming weeks and months just how corrupt this entire process has been! Have a nice day.
Edit: Today I found a really good article that provides some context to some of the quotes we've been seeing in the media that were taken from the emails of the scientists at the CRU and elsewhere. http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/300ubchn.asp?pg=1 - http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/300ubchn.asp?pg=1
Enjoy
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Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 12:42am
| http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/12/19/lawrence-solomon-wikipedia-s-climate-doctor.aspx - http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/12/19/lawrence-solomon-wikipedia-s-climate-doctor.aspx The link above is to a very interesting story in the National Post (a Canadian newspaper) which shows how the global warming enthusiasts have infiltrated Wikipedia with their propaganda...If true, then it's a timely reminder to be always cautious and skeptical about what those in authority would have us believe. :) |
Posted By: LOL-i-ZER
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2009 at 3:28am
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sorry, I couldn't answer sooner, as I was putting gas into my HUMMER. ------------- OUCH !! THAT HURTS Free Agent |
Posted By: LOL-i-ZER
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 5:39am
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Thank you US and CHINA for making this meeting a true success. Our children will appreciate. ------------- OUCH !! THAT HURTS Free Agent |
Posted By: HanFei
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 10:26am
Should it be stopped, rly? ------------- |
Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 11:50am
I'm not should what you mean by this post Han. I know this, however, the protesters at Copenhagen have all shown their hands. They cheered Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez like a conquering hero! The ninth largest oil producer in the world, a nation where 60% of GDP comes from petroleum production and 80% of export earnings. He has done nothing to impede carbon emissions, quite the contrary, his country and more specifically his government is a chief source of carbon emissions since the industry is now nationalized. They cheered him because he is an avowed and proud socialist. Global Warming, the fear mongering surrounding climate change is nothing more than a cover to extend more and more government dominion over commerce and free enterprise. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: HanFei
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 12:56pm
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Sorry for the ambiguity... When you said there's nothing Obama can do to stop it, I assumed you think it should be stopped. ------------- |
Posted By: warfare
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 1:11pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/6845967/Therell-be-nowhere-to-run-from-the-new-world-government.html - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/6845967/Therell-be-nowhere-to-run-from-the-new-world-government.html is an article in a British newspaper that speaks directly to what you are saying...Ultimately, the whole global warming hysteria is just an excuse to extend the power and reach of the UN. The ICC (International Criminal Court) is another such bureacracy intended to take power from elected governments and put it in the hands of unelected, unaccountable totalitarian dictators.
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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 1:49pm
My post is really in reference to danjel's post about China. There's nothing that Obama can do to stop China's development nor India's. They are the real emitters of Co2 and that will continue irrespective of Copenhagen. Having said all that I still believe that 'Copenhagen' and all that it stands for is subterfuge to impose an economic order. not to 'save the earth' ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: LOL-i-ZER
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 4:45pm
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yeah, so let's polluate. we know have some good arguments. ------------- OUCH !! THAT HURTS Free Agent |
Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 6:01pm
Your'e missing the point. I'm not FOR pollution, quite the contrary. I'm all for preserving the environment and protecting biodiversity. What I'm opposed to is HOW. The measures that most radical environmentalists want to promote are have nothing to do with protecting the environment but all to do with advancing an economic agenda. ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2010 at 10:29pm
so you don't think that we're adding fuel to the fire? you just think that it's not real? i think it's a good thing that people are worried about global warming. it's going to help us find a better energy source much faster than if everyone didn't give a shi t.
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Posted By: HanFei
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2010 at 12:45am
An oversimplification of the discussion using a Carrol Diagram. Enjoy! [TUBE]zORv8wwiadQ[/TUBE] ------------- |