Power-ups in a Duel
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Topic: Power-ups in a Duel
Posted By: Zellot
Subject: Power-ups in a Duel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 6:57pm
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ok i played a duel a long time ago against this guy and some one esle was waiting to play and as soon as i pick up the udamge the guy waiting to play tells me that i'm cheating and left. but to me if you run around grabbing shield belt and armor and health viels your cheating too, because you just altered your health to survive one my rocket so whats wrong with me grabing u damage to even the score.
so i just wanted to see what ya'll thought were about the situation and are all power-up fair game in a duel. -------------  |
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:02pm
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Ok, picking up DD in duels is highly unethical. Shield belt is the bread and butter but amp is not. ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:05pm
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darkwalker isn't highly recommended either.
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Posted By: FoXy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:06pm
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lmfao what f***in idiot would use the DW in a duel ------------- |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:12pm
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Double damge is like the same as a dark walker. Think about it Belt = 100 shielding Rocket / Flak = 100+ Dmg AMP + Flak/Rocks = 200+ One lucky shot would send players into a respawn frenzy. Another reason why DD is HIGHLY unethical because one shot kill weapons that cause instant death is usually discouraged for competitive play. ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:12pm
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Some guy ranked top 100 duel 360 version only did heatray darkwalker on host. Best part was that I beat him even though he was in the walker. ------------- |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:13pm
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ok for the millionth time this has been brought up shield belt only 100 armor YOUR f***IN FAULT FOR NTO GETTING IT STOP b****ING second udamage can do over 1000 damage if used correct tri rockets multiple shots of the sniper minigun whoring anything will kill the other person its not cheating cause you cant cheat unless you leave the map that would be glitching but its been a rule for dueling for ages its not going to change for some newb...if ur able to hit someone with multiple rockets sniper shots and mini why the hell r u using the udamage those weapons take off shield belt IMMEDIATELY think about it... person grabs the shield belt they not have 100 health 100 armor you have 100 health 50 armor you hit them once with the sniper they have 100 health 30 armor..guess who has more armor now YOU DO ------------- 
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Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:15pm
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I only use the Damage amp in duels if I am lucky enough to get the redeemer as well.. otherwise its really not worth using.
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:15pm
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zellot, i understand some ppl get upset about the shield belt, but just understand the way to go isnt the u damage.
first off, you instantly throw yourself into the super noob category, and you dont belong there
secondly, its a matter of respect, if he can easily grab the shield belt, dont you think he could get the U-damage aswell? hes upset at you for getting it because hes specificly not picking it up as a mutual thing, any time a player is showing you trust you should give it back unwritten rules are the first rules to follow in my book.
and lastly, the U-damage last 30 seconds, doubles the damage, if you go on a serious run and get some good spawns or know the map well enough you could deliver ALOT more damage then any sheild belt protection offered.
anyhow just dont do it man ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:16pm
1 primary flak is already 180 damage, so you can do 360 in 1 shot, that's quite a lot. ------------- |
Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:18pm
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after the tri qm thing, this forum seems more busy ------------- |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:19pm
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its so stupid this thread was made..look at this http://iamgaming.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1931&title=duel-match - http://iamgaming.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1931&title=duel-match OH NO!!!!! -------------
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:21pm
Good thing you mention respect. For over 10 years, UT and Quake duelers can be sort of united because dueling is 1 v 1 game. You learn about your oppenent. About his aim, about his movement, and about his knowledge. Creates a bond and throughout me dueling experience, I have never seen top tier players disrespect one another. ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:23pm
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I saw duel on Resistance: Fall of Man. Made me lol. Everyone was that chimeran race which moves faster and does more damage, and the guy who came in 2nd only got that far because he whored 40mm grenades, instant kill weapons. No map control made him able to camp out that spot and use cheap weapons and get that far, and this tournament was for money too. ------------- |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:25pm
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Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:38pm
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ok so here a question if you're dueling why not just make it a regular duel and not grab the shield belts or armor. cause that's not a duel, a duel should be skill vs skill, not skill vs skill + shield belt.
for example. one time i was going against crow and shot a big bio ooze on him and it didn't kill him cause he had the shield belt and to quote him" oh you would of killed me but i had like 199, you were close though"
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:46pm
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As i mentioned before on other threads. The shieldbelt promotes a motive for players to move around the map. And as your example is a true test of skill. Rev is higher skilled and more knowledgeable thus, he is TOTALLY FN STACKED WITH 199 HP and +150 ARMOR. He got to the weapons and armors before you did. It's your fault you let him do that. You allowed him to acquire the belt, vials, vest, thigh pads, helmet, health bubbles, etc. You have nothing to blame except yourself. Learn from your mistakes. Like I said before, dueling is an honor. You learn about your opponent if you know what you are suppose to look for. Once you found it, you will be able to surpass Crow's skill and other players. ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:50pm
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Also, you should be asking yourslef, "Damn. How did he get f***ing stacked like that? How can I prevent him to get the belt? How can I distract him so I can get the belt myself? What did he do right? What did I do wrong? How did he kill me? How did I react when I was fighting him? How did he react when I was fighting?" Those are the questions you should be asking yourself if you truly want to be a top dueler... ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:53pm
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damn remy you make me wanna duel you again dont know why hahah was a good game on heatray -------------
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Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:55pm
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ok let me say this i not saying nothing about someone grabing the shield belt first i know if you didn't get it first you fresh out of luck, i don't care about that. i just saying and the reason why i made this thread, is to ask if one thing is ok to grab the other should be to since it's there
secondly, i think if your grabing things to help you survive an attack apperently your scared your skills aren't that good to dodge a rocket or any other projectile. so like i said dueling should be skill vs skill not skill vs skill + shield belt. and i don't think back in the days of george washingtion when they really had duels that one guy showed up in regular clothes and the other showed up in armor ------------- |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 7:59pm
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Posted By: XKaL1buR
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:01pm
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:07pm
Lol get ur ps3 fixed and we can duel it up. But yea, i dont want to sound a nerd and all, but people need to understand dueling is so much deeper than the typical just run n gun. Once people realize the depths this mode has to offer, you will notice things that you have never noticed before. ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:08pm
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ok lets put it like this ...go play warfare without vehicles and b**** at everyone whos using them..its there...it gives them the advantage its ur fault for not using it... same concept but when something was agreed on to NOT use its best to not use it for respect as been said how much skill does it take for me to kill u with a redeemer ..very little...actually..none... you cant survive it unless u hide im not gunna say udamage is equivalent to redeemer but the udamage can dish out beyond enough damage let me use an example
some guy called me a fag when i was dueling him cause my view was different then his to me it showed his rocket hit the ground when it hit me i died after that (keep in mind this was deck) within about 1 min i got 8 spawn kills on him back to back none stop its thats easy to spawn kill someone... now lets put udamage+ ontop of that spawn killing....rediculous the match would of been over with in 20 seconds its so easy to spawn kill someone if u know the maps good enough so what if i die and u have the udamage doesnt that make you the bad guy for attackin me while i only have 100 health and enforcer? -------------
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Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:10pm
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:11pm
oh so you're helpless. we waste all this time nicely explaining to you how not to be a noob and you would rather be a noob.
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Posted By: willisasmith
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:49pm
y u got to tell people about u beating my ass on deck Crow lol |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:51pm
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what? it wasnt u it was some noob i forgot his name to be honest -------------
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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:54pm
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this is why i say always duel without any pick ups what so ever. i think duel shouldnt have anything at all besides small weapons. playing pac man in a duel is stupid but w/e..
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sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:56pm
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let me go camp somewhere where u will never find me garauntee it and kill u everytime u walk by..see how much skill and how boring that is.... cause thats all its going to lead to -------------
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:57pm
what is why?.. did you read any of the posts?
i couldnt imagine reading this thread and thinkin anything else then "my oh my im such an idiot i cant believe i didnt realize this whole time that we both have the option to get the belt and just because im a newb and cant figure it out i cant believe i went to the forum and cried about it, sheesh from this day forward im gonna not look so dumb, when i encounter a challenge im gonna figure out how to beat it and not cry about it " or something along those lines ;) ------------- |
Posted By: EK_Trendy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:58pm
| Honestly, if you don't get it by now then you can only blame your own incompetence and unwillingness to learn how to play. Think about it, there's a reason the top players play with those rules, it's far and away the most skill demanding and strategic form of duel. There's also a reason why the not so good players always try to modify the rules in hopes of taking on the more skillful players. NEWS FLASH: Modifying the rules will not change the outcome of the match, it only provides a handicap. If you feel outmacthed by someone, work hard and learn how to beat them, don't make excuses and change the format of the game. |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 8:58pm
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Posted By: AK-47_Zero1256k
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:01pm
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Maybe a server of duel withouth no Power-ups will be interesting. do you agree? only true skill, no U-Damage or , no shield beld, just you, your weapons, your strategy on the maps and your aim.  ------------- What, the hellbender is a sh¡t? I´ll make you think twice about it |
Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:01pm
meant play duel without any pick ups, just dont see the point of armor in a 1v1 mode... -------------
sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |
Posted By: EK_Trendy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:02pm
I will refer you to my post above |
Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:03pm
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thank you about time we get some logical people in this thread ------------- |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:04pm
Did you read my posts at all? ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:04pm
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dude..it still wont be any competition... what makes you think if you cant grab the sb away from me what makes you think u can grab the armor vest or any other type of armor.. playin without SB promotes camping if you say ppl camp by the shield belt ur an idiot for failing to realize all the possible ways to get to a shieldbelt in every map -------------
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Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:05pm
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:05pm
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zero, no that wouldnt be fun.. i would sit in one spot and shock combo you to pieces the whole time. really this is pointless even explaining. and further proof epic is assbackwards by the fact they even have a piece of armor considered a powerup.
anyhow envy:
what about people that spawnkill in vehicle modes, i could argue that i was upset you were using a certain vehicle so i spawnkilled in retalition etc., the point is theirs basic unwritten rules that most ppl have the deceny to respect, yet noone can understood rules in duels that have existed long before vehicles were even in fps games? ------------- |
Posted By: XKaL1buR
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:08pm
Strategy on maps? That involves MAP CONTROL. If your aim's not good enough to take off a person's shield and health, then Dueling is definitely not for you, especially if u wanna just keep tryin to "modify" the rules like trendy said earlier. It's like me playin VCTF or WARFARE. Ex. Vehicles should not be used against players that aren't in a vehicle themselves. Not Fair ~_^ ------------- |
Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:10pm
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cause like i said in the beginning if you get something to alter your self hell it's only logical that i to get something to alter myself. and it has nothing to do about getting the shield belt first for the last time Ninefive you little b**** dick sucking muther f**ker. its a fair match if it's skill vs skill. but i guess your to much of a pussy to play that mode w/o powerups, ------------- |
Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:15pm
lol your whole complaint is about the shield belt you f***ing dimwit, put the crack pipe down.
you f***ing blow ass at ut3, why do you even waste your time playing it, let alone being a f***ing little girl on the forums "wahhh they keep getting these powerups that epic put all over the maps"
whats your f***ing primary mode dumbsh*t? is this your first ut game? you are a f***ing penis puffer and its hilarious you got all upset about me kindly trying to point you in the right direction.
edit: i dont care how you have to try to reason it to your numb ass self, but you arent making some general arguement about how you are keeping your self altered because the other guy is, f***ing picking up a weapon alters your players status. you are crying that f***ing the shieldbelt is unfair so you think grabbing UD is a fair reaction, besides the fact i already explained your a f***ing moron for not realizing that the other person could make sure you never even f***ing saw a udamage spawn but that its not even close to equal.
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Posted By: AK-47_Zero1256k
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:19pm
When i say Strategy on maps i dont mean map control, i was talking about the way you use the map to attack the opponent, depending of the weapon you will use to attack in a difrent palce of the map, you can attack to the opponent with more of one weapon to have different results. I had to explain it better XD ------------- What, the hellbender is a sh¡t? I´ll make you think twice about it |
Posted By: Zellot
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:21pm
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and i getting tired of this sh*t man cause ya'll dueler always act like someone just called your mother a b**** when they talk about your mode in any shape or form, and if you talk about warfare i don't care it's your fault if you don't like warfare but if you tell me it would be fair if you use this and not this not i'm going to attack you, i going to say ok maybe your right or maybe your wrong and leave like that, but anyway i hate getting into arguements over a damn game later. ------------- |
Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:22pm
excellent post. anyone who can read this and still wanna be a douche about the rules. is the same kinda kid that hangs around kids that dont like him in real life. the kinda kid that even after hes told hes a fag and not wanted around, still sticks around. you know like zellot. f***ing homo ------------- |
Posted By: EK_Trendy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:22pm
| lets put it this way: if we were to play with no shield belt, i would simply time every gun on the map so you would only have the enforcer at all times. Trust me, you wouldn't enjoy it and neither would i. |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:23pm
edit: look zellot no one was being a dick until u called deadaim names... we r just tryin to showu the rules that have been with deuling for the longest time and no matter what its nto going to change just cause some new kid doesnt like it -------------
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:23pm
uh most of us were overly nice, my post to you was like from a friend to a friend even though i dont know you. and you come with some stupid "motherf**ker you b**** ass mofo" etc sh*t to me ------------- |
Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:23pm
None of us are getting angry. We are just pointing you people into the right direction on how dueling is meant to be played. The only reason why people are getting upset is because of your post earlier. I believe you just got pretty damn personal with those attacks to deadaim... ------------- name_is_clantag |
Posted By: XKaL1buR
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:28pm
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Read that post again. I know what Strategy is, and it INVOLVES control of key items. Preventing ur opponent from gettin those items is a KEY element of dueling. But the argument was about why it's unfair to use shield belt but not DD. Zero, Zellot, or anybody else that feels this way, send me a friend request, and i'll duel u. Here's the thing: I won't grab the shield belt at all. no shield, no udamage. BUT, YOU must pick it up every time it spawns. Point i'm tryin to make? I'm mostly likely still gonna win. Now, if you were to grab udamage and just whore Stinger Primary, even if i have a shield belt on, i wouldn't last 3 seconds. I'm dead. I spawn, guess what? U still have udamage, and i have no armor or anything. Another easy kill. If i'm not mistaken, DD lasts for 45 seconds. On a map like Sentinel, the match would be over in no time. Shield belt shouldn't even be considered a powerup anyway. x.X ------------- |
Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:31pm
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Have any of you guys read the rules of the forum? ------------- http://eu.playstation.com/psn/profile/PcX_Potorikan/"> 
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Posted By: EK_Trendy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:31pm
It lasts 30 seconds, but yeah kali speaks the truth |
Posted By: ReverendCrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:33pm
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Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:34pm
we cant move this to fists of fury.. thats your job :) ------------- |
Posted By: PcX_Potorikan
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 9:34pm
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I"m not going to argue with you on this Rev. we have rules. Deragotory remarks are not allowed. Try again some other time gents ------------- http://eu.playstation.com/psn/profile/PcX_Potorikan/">
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Posted By: RemY
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 10:15pm
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YAY! now back to discussion.
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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 10:39pm
nope, i read zellots and deadaims response to mine. im way to lazy to filter text...sorry, no offense... -------------
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Posted By: SilverJ-17
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 10:47pm
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Ehh.. it's just the ethics and I respected that, even though I didn't like it.. (even though I never understood see why Redeemer usage was wrong.. Unlike the U-Damage, it respawns every two minutes and only kills once.. or at least it should..) I just took the usual bad losses and shut up.. (though I occasionally complained, mostly to myself..) Of course, I eventually got tired of dueling and stopped all non-Instagib dueling altogether (I started this about a month and half or so ago..), since I personally prefer either the chaos and "mass" power-up usage of DM/ TDM or the vehicle modes.. or messing around offline.. with different mutators, custom maps, and bots.. along with the occasional titan match.. though Instagib dueling is another thing I'll do every so often.. Though.... ------------- |
Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 10:52pm
well i respect the fact you can respect the ethic code even though you didnt agree with it, shows good character ------------- |
Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 10:58pm
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holy sh*t! deadaim showing sportmanship in the fist of fury??? lol -------------
sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |
Posted By: ninefive
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2009 at 11:01pm
yea we have more freedom to argue here, but we dont HAVE to argue, lol its not a requirement ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 6:14am
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duel =/= tdm If you don't like duel don't play it. ------------- |
Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 7:38am
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Too many times people find something to pick on or have a go at others in different modes. Since I've played ut3 I've played duel only about 100-200 times and I got taught/told early on not to use the UD. In kali's set up of a duel where if I was to play him I would get stacked on health and he was average on health I think I would still lose. Duel = amazing aim, map control and reactions. Of course more attributes are involved thats not up for debate but I'd never pick up berserk, UD or the redeemer now. I did read a post by Bumrush where he said whenever there is a shield belt there is a UD to counter it. Sure if I was duelling and someone picked it up I'd be a little annoyed but its not the end of the world. Plus if you have your settings on so you can hear other players you can avoid them for 30 seconds whilst you go around picking up health. ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2009 at 8:08am
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uDamage/Redeemer destroy the point of map control/ 'strategy' in the first place.
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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2009 at 12:52am
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Like dan said, if i hear UD, i'll just run away, an toss out random shock cores in reverse, but ive only dueled a few times an had plenty of ppl use UD an Deemer in DM! to be honest, im better without the shield belt, i guess the belt gives me a sense of faulse comfort, an when i have less than 30 health is when i shine! ------------- Pepsi puppies get more puppy pussy. |
Posted By: Zito44
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2009 at 4:44pm
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well as you were sayin that if u pick up the damage that you just must be scared that you cant"dodge my rockets" and w.e else...but if u think about it thats just the same as sayin that your scared your not goin to be able to land your shots on someone with a shield belt and that you need double damage to kill some1 if you do land your shots lol..having the shield belt does not change the way you play against that person just because your opponet has the shield belt that means your not going to be able to land your shots?...and it is pointless playin duel with no powerups because like some1 else was sayin it makes u move around the map and also many maps are pointless to play with no powerups like deck and shang not just because of the belt but also the boots ------------- XBL GT: ZMO44 AKA M1NNoW |
Posted By: Danjel8
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2009 at 8:49am
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Thing is... even if you do pick them up they last 30 seconds.. Your gonna spend half that time trying to find them and the other half chasing them. Redeemer is every 2 mins, a good dueler won't get beat by a player using redeemers and ud. Also they control the maps anyway so if anything not being able to use these things means the noobs have more chance. ------------- |
Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2009 at 9:04am
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On deck and he has udamage? I'm gonna hammerjump up to some crates and spots on the levels which are excellent hiding spots - there are plenty. Uh check the thread I just made as I didn't see this one lol. ------------- |
Posted By: SilverJ-17
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2009 at 2:16pm
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Even though I practice not using it, I still don't see that much of a problem with using the Redeemer. In a 10 minute duel (like most, I think), it's only going to respawn 5 times and 7, in a 15 minute duel. You could easily just take it (before they get it) and shoot it away, dodge, or deny it. I had to do this in order to finally (Yes, I know I suck.) beat a Godlike bot in duel, fair and square. (no U-Damage usage or Redeemers on my part.) When he got the U-Damage, I just used to sound to keep myself away from him whenever they got it, though I killed him once or twice, when he had it. (I didn't pick it up though.)
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Posted By: Prince Big Woody
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2009 at 2:21pm
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The redeemer is too much of a gamechanger destroying all health and a certain kill unless the one shooting it sucks. It destroys your belt, vest, boots etc which you've all been contesting all game long.
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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2009 at 1:58am
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Posted By: _EnVy_
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2009 at 5:29pm
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sympathy one gets for nothing, EnVy must be earned" |