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Posted By: Paw
Subject: Watch and Discuss...
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 10:27am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc lets see all yalls opinions on this... ------------- -Show me my Opponent- 
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Posted By: Paw
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 11:29am
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lunchy? anyone? cmon some athiest in here must have something to say
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Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 12:26pm
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It's really no different than cursing or yelling in a fit of anger or as a knee jerk reaction after sudden pain. The brain does not access the frontal lobes (controls cognition/language) in these cases, but instead tap into the areas of the brain that control emotion, specifically the basal ganglia and amygdala. These people are yammering on in gibberish that is a product of their sincere belief, and thus it is not a cognitive process. In no way does this prove any supernatural entities, it just proves people are stupid. ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 2:38am
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my family believes n it there not stupid A S S H O LE ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 3:20am
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christians >.> |
Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 3:36am
yes, they are ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 5:46am
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^^because? perhaps the label 'stupid' is too strong but ikwym Trendy. It seems pointless having God communicate to his followers in an entirely unique way cos no one understands what each other is saying...the whole point of language is to communicate right, so why doesnt he communicate in the same unique language to his speakers of tongues? Now that would be something wouldn't it? What seems to be happening here is that these worshipers are experiencing something spiritual that manifests itself into 'speech' like sounds. In pentecostal churches people are touched by the spirit and convulse, faint or just act erratically/emotively/excitedly. Imo both situations are re-creating previous recorded events in the Bible or Old Testament as proof that God exists and is always with us. I think its like hypnotism people have to be susceptible and I bet an hypnotist could get people to speak in tongues thru the power of suggestion lol. But u must understand that faith needs no rational/logical/scientific explanation, the belief in a supernatural being as creator means the conviction in the extra ordinary being totally reasonable even if it believers cannot explain it themselves. God works in mysterious ways etc. Belief is enough, it is possible because it is God's will right? ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: summ3rblink
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 7:35am
I have my personal opinions about the topic but it's completely subjective because I don't have similar experiences or faith as christians may have. Nevertheless, if somebody feels satisfaction and gains happines doing that, I can't see no harm in it, infact it's great 
In religious topics we should try be quite gentle what comes in to judging if we don't have
first hand information
 For example scientists can see clearly with their equipement that meditation has a huge effect to brain's neuro plasticity. But without d o i n g the meditation themselves, it's still as licking the honey jar from outside  [TUBE]FkXtz72hjDI[/TUBE]------------- |
Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 11:27am
Sorry, but the whole "god works in mysterious ways" and "you just have to have faith despite evidence" arguments hold absolutely no water. It's a cop out, people just use religion to explain things that they do not understand instead of taking the initiative of figuring it out. Just imagine how pathetic the world would be if we didn't have people that asked "why?" or "how?" We wouldn't have modern medicine, we would just have religious charlatans claiming they could heal you through the power of God (and mumbling in an incoherent manner without any effect). ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: THE_KING_ETERNAL
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 11:31am
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People will always disprove, or come up with a logical explaination to things they don't understand. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 2:54pm
Yeah it's called religion. Science works to find an answer for what it doesn't understand instead of just blindly believing something. ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: F.u.k-shaker
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 3:29pm
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There are things that were painted on walls thousands of yrs back, of things that didnt exist yet..... Does that mean its fiction, i wonder how science will answer that!?
I know this was a little off topic but still...
Is our imagination endless? Could we fantazise of helicopters 5000 yrs ago? But didnt have the right technology yet, to build it!?
A higher state of "being" could be god, and observed world wide... But the observers has different set of imagination= several religions!!!
Example: How can one have a fantasy of thing that do NOT exist? In some part.... think about it!!!
Anu/Naki. -------------  
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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 9:05pm
I agree with your first suggestion that speaking in tongues is BS, I simply quoted what some worshippers would say in their defence. However it doesnt matter which path you take as neither science nor religion has conclusive truth. In fact science theory is revisited and rewritten every few decades ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 1:33am
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bla bla bla bull sh1t bull sh1t bla bla bla, give me a break. ------------- I am an Exit!psn KuPcAKeDESTR0YER.NoTh1nG__FaCe.Y1NsSeVeRiTy.SuM_RANDOMN008. Portal sits deep within the eye. The eye of Y1NsSeVeRiTy rewards understanding.XBLgametag lDEATHl MACHINE |
Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 1:37am
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this has nothing to do with "god" and just shows that people are freaks. how bout the alter boys serving the need to expell demons. give me a break its all just bull sh1t and people eat it up and buy it. no different than psychics and all that bull sh1t. again bla bla bla babababull sh1t, i guess whatever sells the lord to people pays best right????????????????????? ------------- I am an Exit!psn KuPcAKeDESTR0YER.NoTh1nG__FaCe.Y1NsSeVeRiTy.SuM_RANDOMN008. Portal sits deep within the eye. The eye of Y1NsSeVeRiTy rewards understanding.XBLgametag lDEATHl MACHINE |
Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 1:42am
------------- I am an Exit!psn KuPcAKeDESTR0YER.NoTh1nG__FaCe.Y1NsSeVeRiTy.SuM_RANDOMN008. Portal sits deep within the eye. The eye of Y1NsSeVeRiTy rewards understanding.XBLgametag lDEATHl MACHINE |
Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 9:39am
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Well Paw, you call me an Atheist is the traditional sense, but I don't believe in any God that modern religion has come up with. Could there be a 'God' figure? Maybe. But I'm not going to waste my time worrying about it. And if there is a God, it is nothing like what anyone has ever thought of!
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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 10:29am
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^^reason? ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 10:30am
Can religious people please stop talking out of their asses? I have not heard one single compelling argument from one of you in this thread or the other thread. Not only are all of your (meaning everyone, not just you) posts unconvincing, but the large majority are riddled with inaccuracies and false assumptions (especially about science). First off, what the hell are you even saying when you say "science theory is revisited and rewritten every few decades?" What exactly is scientific theory? There are hundreds of theories within the realm of science. Also, science is a constant process where scientists work to better understand the world around us. They don't just arbitrarily revisit theories just for the hell of it. If the theory works and is tested to work, then why would you go back and try to fix something that is already proven? For example, Newton's Laws of motion have no need to be revisited because they f***ing work and they certainly haven't changed since he initially published his theory in the 1600's. Here's a tip: Think before you talk ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 2:58pm
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Can religious people please stop talking out of their asses? Well ur confusing the hell outta me too cos I was agreeing with ur take on this 'speaking' phenomenon being BS. Where I differ is i dont think you can conclusively dismiss the belief in a supernatural being as creator just because its not scientific, there are lots of things science has not proven or simply cannot provide a conclusive answer. What exactly is scientific theory? Theories are widely accepted explanations of observed situations but they are not fact so they are not LAW. Newton's theory became LAW it is no longer a theory. Einstein's theory of relativity is a theory, one that he himself changed because it was inaccurate. Evolution is a theory offered by Darwin to explain where we came from - origin of the species etc - it is not a LAW and still has holes. Unless u can explain where the missing link in our own human evolution from ape to man or where we disconnected from our not so close cousins the dinosaurs? If u say 'given time science will find an answer' is that not the same blind faith the religious people follow? Here's a tip: Think before you talk
Science cant say what was before the big bang or how these particles came into existence in 'space' because they cannot say what created space. Its the same as who created God? You choose one or the other. I choose to believe in intelligent design because for me chaos (the randomness of stars, planets, the elements and life itself) cannot be so deliberate and laws of nature cannot just exist - but thats my choice. U think the opposite. I respect ur position without the need for abuse. Maybe religion can teach a person many disciplines? Hey, and I hope ive clarified a few things too. ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 3:33pm
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lol pretty good HT ... i think science is very interesting but i don't see all scientists as brilliant. anyone can go into the field of science, but that don't mean there any smarter then the next guy. although there are some that do think on a higher level then most people. i just think brilliant is quite a word to describe someone. Trendy either way you choose to believe there's no need to be bitter. you have no enemy's here. it almost sounds like religion annoys you for some reason? ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 4:00pm
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lol... you do know that after a theory is created literally an army of scientists try to disprove it, right? like thousands.. once they can't disprove something it gains like street credit and is accepted. oh and another thing, in order for god to love he would have to be human and he would have to be alive. all love is is endorphins <not sure how to spell it, im burning my ass up outside> being released in your brain which you eventually become addicted to which is why you feel sad when you break up or get broken up with or when a loved one dies. bam suckas ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 4:48pm
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lol thousands try to disprove a theory? so if you can't disprove something that makes it a fact in your book? i can't prove i married my wife. so we must not really be married right? yea i know that sounded sarcastic lol since your a non believer i don't really expect you to bother to try to understand religion. but to say GOD is uncapable of love based on the way us humans love? come on you need to try to do better then that lol im accualy encouraged by both sides of the discussion. whether you guys are religios or not atleast you know something about the subject. which tells me that there's hope. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 6:09pm
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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 7:25pm
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"And if there is a God, it is nothing like what anyone has ever thought of! " because? ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 9:25pm
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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 9:28pm
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Lest we forget that the Greeks believed in roughly the same thing, but we laugh at them. Imagine in 500 years how we look at religions!
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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 7:17am
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Its immaterial what God looks like. People need to visualise God, the Devil or Jesus to personify them but they are representations of their ideas. God the omnipotent creator of all things, master of the universe, God the creator of life but succumbing to the laws of the universe or simply God the giver of life are some that spring to mind. They explain why things are the way they are to the individual. There are many versions of God idealistically so when and how questions are insignificant - more importantly u may ask why? The science vs God debate is fascinating but littered with paradoxes, some eminent scientists were/are also religious - Darwin for one. Science is now giving us the answers that religion once gave us, with less individual interpretation from so-called men elected by God, so its understandable to believe in scientific truth. Its more easy to corroborate and seemingly less corruptible. The greeks believed in Gods - Polytheism - because it gave them reasons for their fortunes/fate. Who knows some of em may have been bald I dunno. For me science tells us more about the world around us and the worlds outside of ours. It is not there to challenge or support the existence of God or Gods so u can choose both like Darwin did. If religious belief improves you as a person, for the good, then its a plus. Same can be said of anything so I suppose u don't need religion. And u don't even have to live good - all are individual choices we make or are influenced to make. I choose my path u choose urs - its all good! I sound like some religious nut on here but thats far from it, I hardly go to church lol. I like the way Mr Paweezy lights the blue torch paper and runs away observing from a distance - r u not entertained?
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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 9:45am
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I've been a firm believer in Occam's razor, and it worked out pretty good so far! ------------- Pepsi puppies get more puppy pussy. |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 10:53am
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in school people would get extra credit for staying and doing extra work, even if the work they did was wasn't good one thing i wonder is will all the different Preachers/Ministers get extra credit for there sermons even if there sermons are wrong and ridicilious? you know the old A for effort deal i mean some of them sound like they can't wait to see wrong do'ers sent straight to hell lol those ones also seem to love the word DAMNATION!!! lol it is hard for a intelligent person to listen to some of the crap that some of them come up with. in current times with young people getting more knowledgable because of tech. Preachers/Ministers need to learn how to relate to them and not sound like some bible beating nut case. i'll admit i can't just walk in any church and be able to sit and listen to everything some Preacher/Minister has come up with. some of it is just totally off the wall. which probably creates alot of doubt in a knowledgable, intelligent young persons mind. which is a dam shame. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:25pm
syzygy, you know nothing about science............... and you're comparison to what i posted was stupid.. it didn't fit at all.. ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: Pinnacle
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:28pm
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I find it funny that the points being argued are between instant gratification vs. long term contention. Keep at it, this is interesting. -------------  |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:30pm
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start watching at 3:20 min [TUBE]BNf-P_5u_Hw[/TUBE] ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:37pm
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i'm interested in what you guys have to say about that video
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:41pm
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[TUBE]qc-mrJf45Hg[/TUBE] ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:52pm
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FAIL! Tuna your probably just not the sharpest tool in the shed. to assume i know nothing about science after my posts on Einstein and Hawkins is? well lets just say betond belief lol Tuna try to answer these questions for me since you know so much. is there such a thing as exact science? is e=mc2 a math formula? and if so explain its rellivance. what happens to the brain when someone uses meth and what is the result of sustained use? i chose this question because of your theory on wether GOD is capable of love. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:59pm
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i'm over that now. i don't think you can disprove anything in those videos i posted lol..................................... ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 1:10pm
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is anyone going to comment on those videos XD probably too scared to watch them ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 1:16pm
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here's the third one... now i'm getting offline to go see a movie. [TUBE]IjAegPhQOUg[/TUBE] ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 1:22pm
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run away now Tuna like always lol your not just going off to research my questions are you?  ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 2:08pm
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 2:37pm
actually, i'm about to watch a movie on netflix... why do you keep avoiding those videos? quit changing the subject. i want to see what you have to say about christianity after you watched the vids lol. plus your questions aren't even worthy of a reply... you seriously asked me if e=mc2 was a math formula....... and how should i know what meth does to the brain?? i don't give a f*** and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about unless you are saying God smokes meth and that would be awesome ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 3:23pm
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your the one changing the subject and you just avoided my questions? lol exact science is the whole point but you have no answer. you gave an exaple about how love is accualy a chemical reaction in the brain righht? well since you made that statement i figured you might know what effects a drug like meth has on the brain and what kind of damage it does if used long enough. your answer is you have no idea? e=mc2 is an easy one yet you couldn't answer it either? thats like insulting a gunfighter, then going to the gun fight with an empty gun. it just don't make any sence? ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: Helscream
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 3:59pm
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Zeitgeist is nothing more than a fabricated piece of ****. I have seen the entire video over a year ago. They want to make an arguement based on a blantant lie. No one knows when Jesus Christ, Yahshua Ha'Mashiach was born. THe Catholic Church, that God forsaken countfeit version of chrisitianity labeled 12/25 as the brithday of Christ so make the pagan's happy because it was near the day (or i think it was actually on the same day of a pagan holiday) of a pagan holiday. All of those religions have many stories of their own. But there is no ancient text or tablet that supports those claims of ''Born by a virgin woman, cruxified, died, rescurrected 3 days later''. Those douche bags who help create that movie think that THEY themselve's come from another Star constellation and are here to send us the message (us on earth) that the [Insert Alien Race Name] are coming to refine us as a race. Jesus Christ, Yah'Shua Ha'Mashiach is the only man to be birth by a virgin mother, to be cruxified, and ressurect three days later. And the Da Vinci code is aboslute bull**** as well. They want to base their book and movie's off of the Nag Hammadi text which is the oldest source of the Gnostic Gospels. But even in there. THere is aboslutely NO WHERE to be found that speaks of Jesus, Yahshua being married to Mary and having children. So bluntly put, its a fabricated story by abunch of foolish men. And even to add insult to injury, the Nag Hammadi text and the gnostic religion didn't start to form until 150 A.D. and there written word was not finished till after that. The Synostic Gospels in the Bible were finished in 50 A.D. No scholar will go past 70 A.D. Because you see Peter, Paul, John, Mark, and Luke are already qouting word's from another written book in theirs. So for something to be qouted, it must have a source to be qouted from. I am so sick of people wanted to look at a piece of information without testing it's waters. ''Oh hey this guy with a plak on his wall that says he is a verified Scholar said XYZ''. And you are foolish enough to believe anything because he ''claims'' to be a doctor. And you are too damn lazy to search for the truth yourself. ------------- 
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Posted By: lDEATHl-MACHINE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 7:01pm
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wow cant believe this thread went this far, guess nobody heard me when i said "bla bla bla bullsh1t bla bla bla" ------------- I am an Exit!psn KuPcAKeDESTR0YER.NoTh1nG__FaCe.Y1NsSeVeRiTy.SuM_RANDOMN008. Portal sits deep within the eye. The eye of Y1NsSeVeRiTy rewards understanding.XBLgametag lDEATHl MACHINE |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 7:29pm
actually, in my ancient civilizations class we learned about a lot of those similarities... my teacher knew what he was talking about too... we spent a lot of time on Mesopotamia which historians believe is the cradle of civilization.. i think it is the most interesting time period. they didn't even mention the da vinci code in zeitgeist............. anyways, everything he talked about in Zeitgeist you can look up for yourself on the internet.. you are calling him a liar yet you have no proof and he actually has facts. i don't see how you can call him a liar when what he said was true.. i think if you would have actually watched the 3 videos i posted you would understand better. all you got was jesus being born on december 25 and in the VERY beginning of the second video they have a picture of da vinci's last supper painting which you automatically assumed was talking about the da vinci code..... lol... edit: i mean seriously? a blatant lie? wtf have you been smokin... don't lie to yourself lol look up the information ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 7:45pm
syzygy, you don't make any sense lol! you completely changed the subject!! of course i know what e=mc2 is! i mean i learned about that in school when i was a kid lol. E stands for energy, M stands for mass, and C stands for the speed of light. and you asked if it was a mathematical equation? E=MC2 is a scientific equation, but math happens to be the language of science ;) did you watch those videos? since i posted first you are obviously the one avoiding my questions edit: why would i know what meth does to the brain? the reason why i know what little i do about what happens to the brain when you love is because i watched it in a documentary called What The Bleep Do We Know!? it's pretty good too.. the best part was when they talked about quantum physics ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 9:53pm
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i knew you would go look it up Tuna lol but you forgot to explain the relivence of e=mc2 and no i didn't watch your videos because i don't need to! i already said i can't prove GOD exists. and that im not trying to prove anything about religion. so why would i need to watch a video that tries to disprove my religion? if my religion ever gets proven to be wrong trust me i'll know it! because it will be the biggest news in history. specially with the liberal midia. the subject has been religion and science so i havn't changed it at all. lastly if you think every program you watch on religion,science or even the human brain is always 100% accurate? i don't know what to tell ya. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 10:21pm
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i think i see where you are taking this conversation... you are basically asking me this to prove that you know something about what we are talking about. i didn't really understand your question because i was in a hurry to pick someone up so i'm sorry for jumping to conclusions.. you are asking this question because e=mc2 fits into the big bang theory because it proves that pure energy can be turned into matter which explains why we got here. i see where you are going with this and no, the Christian God did not create the universe with a big bang. it is only fair for you to watch those videos because i read post after post from you trying to argue that God was real. the least you could do is watch the first video i posted because i really want to know what you guys have to say about it.. i don't believe everything i watch and hear, but a lot of the things in that video i learned my freshman year in college. my Ancient Civilizations teacher was the best teacher i ever had. ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 10:59pm
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ive said i can't prove GOD is real. and i havn't disagreed with anyones oppinion or debated anything. you assumed i don't know anything about science so i was just showing you i know a little about it. and no acording to scientists e=mc2 is relevent to absolutely everything period. Einstein thought that this was the case but he died before he could prove it. if e=mc2 is relevent to everything and GOD created everything then GOD must of created e=mc2 right? for the non believers i'll add if there is a GOD. ^^^ not an oppinion just a question. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 11:06pm
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e=mc2 is just one of the laws of physics in our universe.. God didn't create the laws that govern the universe haha. imagine a roll of bubble wrap, our universe is just one bubble in that roll of bubble wrap. each universe has there own unique law of physics and their is an infinite amount of universes. i believe that's quantum physics, right? i watched an episode of Into the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman a couple of weeks ago and they talked about it. it's a good show you can watch it on the science channel ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 11:25pm
gotta call you out on that one.. you definitely did defend christianity and of course you can't prove the existence of God.. ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 11:27pm
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oh really and you know all of this how? see you make statements like that all the time. i don't make statements about GOD accept that i believe in him. no one knows anything for sure. not brilliant scientists, not doctors, not world leaders. but you said your college teacher taught you that religion is fake? that doesn't supprise me at all Tuna! well im sure glad everyone don't fall for that crap. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 11:40pm
i did say you'll haft to do better then that in one of my posts. but i wouldn't call that defending. believe me if i was defending Christianity you'd be able to tell it for sure. and besides Christianity don't need me to defend it. it has GOD _-) ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: ax412
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 2:33am
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one of my teachers tuna gave me his idea of creation. he's a physics teacher and what not. it was really interesting what he said and he's christian. idk if he's right but @ the end of the day how will we know unless we see it? ------------- |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:17am
this is what i mean, syzygy. you have been defending your religion the entire time. you completely ignored the vids i posted too. don't know why... unless you're a scaredy cat :) ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 8:19am
not trying to be a d*** but it's the same thing over and over. it's always blind faith.. i know religion is fake so i'm not going to try to believe something that isn't real. sorry ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 1:46pm
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thats not defending Christianity lol but i don't see why it matters either way? i believe, you don't believe. if GOD exists, your probably going to hell and i may be going with you who knows. if GOD doesn't exist, when we die thats the end of it. ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 5:38pm
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Imean nothing just that my mother isnt stupid she is a rn in a cardiac heart unit i dont neccesarilly believe it but dont disbelieve u all dont know. Scientist say religous people heal faster than non religous cause there brain is so one sided in there belief or something like that couple books about it.. where i use to live near wv they have snake handlers in jolo westvirginia. sacrifice a goat what ever differnt strokes for differnt folks i just resented u calling my mother stupid cause she is in the group -------------
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Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 9:05pm
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Posted By: Heavenly_tRiNiTy
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 10:08pm
c'mon man this is fundamental stuff, u dont know u 'believe'. If u knew u could prove it conclusively right? Anyway i admire your conviction but your bias blinds u to the possibilities. Plz don't take other people's views as your own, assess for yourself. Like Phantaci said his teachers views were interesting - open mind. Hitler slaughtered 6 million Jewish people because of his doctrine. he didnt do it single handed, proly didnt kill 1 but everyone else followed blindly instead of questioning his belief for themselves. It may have been convenient but it was wrong! BTW the multiple universe theory doesn't disprove the existence of God, it proves that scientists are still unsure about space/time. It is feasible for God to be the creator of all things in heaven and earth - it mentions nothing about the universe in the bilbe afaik. And just because christians cannot prove that God exists it can be said that atheists cannot disprove the existence of God either. I would love to view the vids u posted but ive been busy and now im out of UK for 2 weeks as of today, i will c them when im back. The thread will b dead and gone by then but the info will be 'interesting' I know. ------------- Cos I'm Wonderman...I'll take that knife and shove it up your a$$! |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:02pm
this debate has been going on for awhile now and i knew where phantaci was going with that so i told him i don't believe it. the whole intelligent design thing... glad you want to watch the vids i posted! everyone else ignored them lol the facts in that video are strong ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SP61gTSupra
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:08pm
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:14pm
did i say my college teacher taught us religion is fake??? absolutely not.. we learned about history, syzygy.. we make up our own minds what we want to believe. you know what doesn't surprise me? that you ignore what i say and make up your own version.. must be a defense mechanism. you should go back and read some of your posts.. you are basically trying to preach to everyone lol i know you are trying to mock me when you say "brilliant scientists" but that's what they are (even though it sounds corny as hell). you really don't know too much about science because if you did then you would know that they are trying to move us forwards as a species.. i will admit that i don't know that much but i want to learn! ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:15pm
lmao ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: SIZZLE
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:13am
was your college teacher Brilliant? he convinced you didn't he? a little time with him and your all down with GOD up with science and his version of history lol atleast thats how it sounds Tuna historical fact is another bullsh1t term! history is written by men and every single man who has ever lived on this earth is bias to an extent! im bias towards what i believe, aren't you? ofcourse you are! its part of the *HUMAN CONDITION* your still pretty young Tuna and you'll see that there's a big difference in knoelledge and wisdom as you get older. the term WELL READ is a good example. if a person reads alot and can retain what theyve read it makes them knowlledgable about what theyve read, BUT does it make them any wiser or smarter? and what if half of what they read is total bullsh1t in the first place? i havn't been preaching at all! im just saying think for yourself and don't let me or any so called *Brilliant Person* ever absolutely convince you of anything. learn all you can then belive what you choose to believe! ------------- sHoCkD_Yo_aSs is a novice bot |
Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 12:23pm
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I don't believe in god. And I don't mind someone believing in god, not trying to convince anybody. But I do mind when people go ahead and say things like "God works in mysterious ways" about a topic like mass murder of innocent people. And I do mind when people try to convince me, direct or indirect.
Anyway, to give my opinion, I think religion WAS a very important thing, partly the beginning of law. And sure, for people thousands of years ago it was enough, but we know so much more today and sometimes I feel ashamed for the human kind. There are people who believe in god and are happy, and there are people who don't believe in god and are just as happy. I am VERY sure most of the persons who still believe in god today were raised to do so, I myself (and I am very happy about this) wasn't raised to believe in him NOR was I raised not to believe in god. My parents gave me a free choice. Because they do believe in god.
I don't want to say someone who believes in god is stupid, I think if you were raised to do so from the beginning then you cannot imagine a life without "god". But if you look at everything rationally you cannot possibly believe there is a god. That's just my point of view.
Well the reason I feel sometimes ashamed...imagine how much money goes into religion. Imagine how many problems in the world you could solve from that. Anyway.
I have to say, the post that I liked most one here because it's just so damn true is this one:
Humans are stupid, well not humans in general but humans when they appear as a mass, such as the institution called "religion". ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
Posted By: F.u.k-shaker
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 1:30pm
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Also The old testament reflect itself in the new one!
I do believe STRONGLY that everybody can feel, not see more thats meet the eye! In that understanding religions is not important, faith is.
Im 36 yrs have a family of Smithtsfollowers (grandfather/mother)
Im raised by the bible...
The last, say 10-15 years i studied cultures and birth of them. After that I can NOT believe any of the religions that dominate the earth! Why?
Because they tell the same story, in some parts they deviate off course. But still to many questions to be answered....
Yet I still believe there will come answers sooner or later, and i still believe in "gods as in creators of humans" But what, who they are will not be answered before they return, as every single religion say they will anyway....
Some "stories" i strongly recomend:
Parables of Enoch
Jason & Argonautica
"proof" By Erich von danicken
Popol Vuh
Epic of Gilgamesh
The RA Material.
Most of this is "far out there" but read it with an open mind and you! like me, will be amazed of the things that are/were written...
Sorry for my bad writing.
Max Powers
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Posted By: Fluffy Fluffington
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 1:39pm
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I agree w shakr
The three so called "Great Religions" are all man made anyway. And each one is a plagiarism of another each stacking more bull$hit on top of the last.
There is a difference between being a Theist, and a Deist.
A deist believs there was a creator or a Prime Mover, but he does not intervene in our affairs. This is plausible.
A Theist believes God intervenes and cares what we eat, who we have sex with and how, and that genitally mutiliating children is his divine wish.
I do not believ in any Thsistic god, in fact I do believe THEISM is the root of evil.
A deistic god, a creator but not a religious or theistic one is plausible ... So Im agnostic.
But Im definetly an Anti Theist as well
EDIT: as for that video .. it embarasses me to be a human being sometimes. Go read a book (not the bible) ------------- http://www.enjin.com/bf3-signature-generator" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 1:47pm
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Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 6:17pm
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fixed it if u dont understand make someone stupid translate -------------
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Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 8:55pm
Whoa, whoa, whoa give credit where credit is due, I called your mother stupid. Job title does not always indicate intelligence. As far as the whole "religious people heal faster" you should really read up on it before you say something like that (not that religious people are really inclined to do such a thing). People who are ill and know that they have a lot of support do tend to have speedier recovery because they feel they have something to live for. It's not a religious thing, religious people just have a habit of praising God for everything that goes well in life, but always fall back on the whole "god has a plan" or "god works in mysterious ways" when things go sour. Give thanks to modern medicine, not some supernatural entity. I've been out of internet for the past few days so I apologize to all the morons on here that I haven't had the opportunity to smack down recently. ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 8:57pm
dude, i didn't say he was the one that made me not believe in religion lol. i starting thinking there wasn't a God when i was like 13 years old lol. i remember being 13 and watching a documentary about the universe on the science channel and it changed my life.. i totally stopped believing when i was around 16 and only admitted it when i was 17. i remember being in high school and reading Nietzsche and Carl Sagan and people being like wtf is that. my mother is a devout catholic and made me go to church every sunday until i was 18 years old! i just turned 21 this past may ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:32pm
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ive read lab results n book comparing athiest & religou u turd burgler -------------
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Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:34pm
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what about modern miracles lik i no some 1 who had cancer didnt have any treatment church prayed on her poof no more cancer -------------
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Posted By: Hey_Look_its_Trendy
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:38pm
Who were these studies conducted by? What books? Are they reputable? Specifics? Considering you have yet to formulate a sentence without a spelling error I seriously doubt you could make it through an entire book. ------------- Islanders fan, huh? Team of the future I always say. |
Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:49pm
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look mothfvker im usin a controller im not gonna spell out $hit wen i can put this i rummage through sum stuff & look 4 it i didnt read whole book just skim through it good observation turd burgler -------------
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Posted By: oXxLunacyxXo
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:52pm
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scratch that ur gettin on my nerves mister genius man cant *** with sum1 who has a rapist wit like you -------------
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Posted By: XTERMNATR
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 10:05pm
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i feel its important to to be open and respectful of other beliefs. i was raised in a christian home and was taught that world from day one. but as i grew up i started to realize that it was more important for me to have a more"simplified version of faith" so thats it folks my religion my way and its so liberating. the important thing is that you find what works for you. my great uncle was a priest and he said to me "nicholas, different faiths are like rivers that flow to the ocean" so basically dont get caught up in all the rhetoric enjoy the diversity of life . if its not affecting my life then do whatever gets you through cus it works for you and im happy for you ------------- "people living DEEPLY have no fear of death"- anais nin |
Posted By: summ3rblink
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 4:39am
I pondered that and I thought there could be even a third option:
God does exist but after our death, he still doesn't reveal him/herself to us.
Well, that's at least the case between me and God today and for me it would seem
unfair to reveal him/herself AFTER I die. But yes, I do know what bible and hinduism state about that topic: human w a n t s to be separated from god and thus he won't reveal himself to us.
Ok, that was just some speculation and not meant to be a serious statement
What you said before about science, was actually quite accurate.
If one looks how western science works it is like this:
1940 "now we know that this thing works like this"
1941 "last year we THOUGHT that this thing worked like that but now we KNOW that it works like THIS"
2009 "LOL those old scientist on 40's, they WERE so funny when they thought that thing was working THAT way! Now even a child KNOWS that it works THIS way!"
2010 "Well, our recent studies shows that this thing ACTUALLY works like THIS, not as we THOUGHT on 2009"
I know that scientists mainly work towards the welfare of humanity but these laws of physics etc. seem to change constantly. Maybe they should not be called as laws. Oh human arrogance, sigh
 As Lord Buddha said: Only permanent thing in life is change.
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Posted By: TuNA FISh
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 8:19am
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^are you purposely making **** up? because i think you are........ have you ever heard of Einstein?? anyways, of course theories are going to change from time to time... look at technology from the 40s to now.. if it wasn't for science we wouldn't be where we are today. ------------- The sun was high and so was I - Best Coast psn: HardhatTuna XBL: Tuna is QnL |
Posted By: summ3rblink
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 8:59am
Yes I have heard of Einstein. Have you heard of Hawking? Which part is making **** up from your point of view? You are missing my point if you think i'm dissing science or Einstein, that's not the point.
I think Kuhn's term "paradigm shift" says it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift
Here's some examples from that article:
Some of the "classical cases" of Kuhnian paradigm shifts in science are:
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Posted By: -DaGoN-
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 9:09am
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Oh at Paw, the video is completely useless of course speaking in tongues doesn't activate the speech center, because they don't think about what they're saying they just talk random things (not a language, which would affect the speech center of the brain). It affects other parts of the brain surely, one's that are already active. (Meaning you use less of your brain, thus it's stupid )
Without saying anything about there being a god or not, speaking in tongues is just some people attempting to make themselves important, make them matter because their life is too boring. Listen to what they're saying, if you listen closely you will see they repeat certain sounds over and over. ------------- B-B-BucKetHe4D ! |
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