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    Posted: 13 May 2012 at 8:20am
Unfortunately, 61% of our state recently voted to add language like this to our state constitution.

I believe that the central idea of the public philosophy by which we live is that freedom consist in our capacity to choose our ends for ourselves. Politics should not try to form the character or cultivate virtue of its citizens, for to do so would be to "legislate morality." Government should not affirm, through its policies or laws, any particular conception of the good life; instead it should provide a neutral framework of rights within which people can choose their own values and ends.
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you can go to California to get married Rican.
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People's Rights > Religion

government shouldn't control or be involved with marriage

they should make some kind of union that has the same rights as marriage and whatnot but isn't religion based
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I don't think marriage should be considered a strictly religious thing anymore anyways. Its a vow to one another that you love them and want to be with them for the rest of your life, man or women. Should be a persons right to choose who that other person is. Not have people who dont even know you or will not have anything to do with your life decide for you whether you can or can not marry a person. I hate the government. Its more selfish than it is helpful.

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Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.
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there should be a license test for anyone who wants to get married. if you pass, you can marry. if not, too bad.
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Originally posted by ax412

Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.
i was thinking the SAME thing. nice Jeremy
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Whatever people do with their own lives is none of my business.. I personally don't understand how people can fall in love with the same sex.

I'll help vote for legal rights/marriage for my state because the Government doesn't need to be involved with something personal like this but I won't be attending this years Gay Pride Parade, lol. 
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If gay people want to get married, let them be. That's their choice. No reason to judge someone personal life; That's God job.
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now that i think of it, almost every gay person i have ever know is hilarious
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Originally posted by ax412

Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.




soldiers don't have to be soldiers so they have a choice... starving children don't have a choice, and its my #1 issue period... the thought of a child being hungry and not having any food is just awful... it has to be the most needless death there is... we all could do more though

marraige is a religious issue, and it can only be valid if its a man and a woman... the issue of gay couples wanting to be married is mute, because even if it were legal it still wouldn't be valid... its not my opinion its just the reality of the matter... i agree with you though Phantasi... there are far bigger issues then gay marriage
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Originally posted by HanFei

Unfortunately, 61% of our state recently voted to add language like this to our state constitution.

I believe that the central idea of the public philosophy by which we live is that freedom consist in our capacity to choose our ends for ourselves. Politics should not try to form the character or cultivate virtue of its citizens, for to do so would be to "legislate morality." Government should not affirm, through its policies or laws, any particular conception of the good life; instead it should provide a neutral framework of rights within which people can choose their own values and ends.
 
Without having read every state constitution, surely this "central idea of public philosophy" was particulary meant to apply to our government at the federal level...
 
North Carolina is simply doing what it has every right to do under our constitutional republican form of government, that is, passing laws it's own people deem appropriate. If it interferes or contradicts the law at the Federal level, rest assured, it will eventually fall.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by SIZZLE

Originally posted by ax412

Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.




starving children don't have a choice, and its my #1 issue period... the thought of a child being hungry and not having any food is just awful...

I can't agree with you more on this issue!
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Originally posted by SIZZLE

Originally posted by ax412

Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.




soldiers don't have to be soldiers so they have a choice... starving children don't have a choice, and its my #1 issue period... the thought of a child being hungry and not having any food is just awful... it has to be the most needless death there is... we all could do more though

marraige is a religious issue, and it can only be valid if its a man and a woman... the issue of gay couples wanting to be married is mute, because even if it were legal it still wouldn't be valid... its not my opinion its just the reality of the matter... i agree with you though Phantasi... there are far bigger issues then gay marriage

It wouldn't be valid ?
 
Getting married with another person comes out of love and fu.ckheads like you are telling two people that love each other and want to marry each other to spend the rest of their lives together and thus have a special bonding that it's invalid ? And that's the reality of the matter ?
 
Sry, this is not meant to be some sort of attack, I just think it's highly unfair and yours is not an opinion that I can respect.
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Regardless, the same way the LBGT movement used the civil rights movement...
Next we will see, Men wanting to marry animals. Sex offenders wanting to marry kids etc etc.

Eventually a line will have to be drawn.
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Laissez faire. Meanwhile: soldiers are dying in the Middle East, children are dying of starvation, and Americans are arguing about things that don't even matter.

As a Christian, I don't really care. The Church should focus more on the plank in our own eyes.




soldiers don't have to be soldiers so they have a choice... starving children don't have a choice, and its my #1 issue period... the thought of a child being hungry and not having any food is just awful... it has to be the most needless death there is... we all could do more though

marraige is a religious issue, and it can only be valid if its a man and a woman... the issue of gay couples wanting to be married is mute, because even if it were legal it still wouldn't be valid... its not my opinion its just the reality of the matter... i agree with you though Phantasi... there are far bigger issues then gay marriage

It wouldn't be valid ?
 
Getting married with another person comes out of love and fu.ckheads like you are telling two people that love each other and want to marry each other to spend the rest of their lives together and thus have a special bonding that it's invalid ? And that's the reality of the matter ?
 
Sry, this is not meant to be some sort of attack, I just think it's highly unfair and yours is not an opinion that I can respect.


I think the point that was being made was that the idea of marriage is union through the eyes of religion. Thus the religion it's self would dictate what is and isn't acceptable, hence why it is invalid. The main issue i think is that lgbt individuals were raised under religious family backgrounds, therefore still wanting to be accepted thru their religion. I've nvr looked into it, but ithink you can be married as a couple by the state, no church or nothing, i dont know if the same applies to lgbt unions.
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now that i think of it, almost every gay person i have ever know is hilarious
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I've met some hella kul ppl to(better that heterosexual cuzz they didn't try to be anyone they were just down to earth), but i also met this one guy who was a complete *hole. he would usually talk trash to ppl when they werent doing their job properly(in his eyes newayz). had to tell em of one day cuz he was riding the others so hard. now that i think about it. my friend couldn't believe he was gay cuz the guy was ripped lol, he was like, he can have anygirl he wants lmao
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Originally posted by ax412

Regardless, the same way the LBGT movement used the civil rights movement...
Next we will see, Men wanting to marry animals. Sex offenders wanting to marry kids etc etc.

Eventually a line will have to be drawn.
That line should be drawn somewhere beyond two adult human beings wanting to get married because they love each other !
 
But yeah right, because gay people can be considered equal to animals or sex offenders.. jeez what the hell ?!?
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A secular state shouldn't consider religion in the case marriage, if you want, you can do it in a church, but the official marriage should take place in front of the state and not be in a need of approval from religion.
 
That's how it's handled in Germany..
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Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by ax412

Regardless, the same way the LBGT movement used the civil rights movement...
Next we will see, Men wanting to marry animals. Sex offenders wanting to marry kids etc etc.

Eventually a line will have to be drawn.
That line should be drawn somewhere beyond two adult human beings wanting to get married because they love each other !
 
But yeah right, because gay people can be considered equal to animals or sex offenders.. jeez what the hell ?!?
Lol that's not what I'm saying. I saying will it ever end?
There has to be a line. The same is true of everything. Otherwise laws get pushed to the breaking point.
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Regardless, the same way the LBGT movement used the civil rights movement...
Next we will see, Men wanting to marry animals. Sex offenders wanting to marry kids etc etc.

Eventually a line will have to be drawn.
That line should be drawn somewhere beyond two adult human beings wanting to get married because they love each other !
 
But yeah right, because gay people can be considered equal to animals or sex offenders.. jeez what the hell ?!?
Lol that's not what I'm saying. I saying will it ever end?
There has to be a line. The same is true of everything. Otherwise laws get pushed to the breaking point.
Marriage between two adult humans, regardless of sexual orientation and both actually wanting to do it. There's a line.
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Originally posted by ax412

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Regardless, the same way the LBGT movement used the civil rights movement...
Next we will see, Men wanting to marry animals. Sex offenders wanting to marry kids etc etc.

Eventually a line will have to be drawn.
That line should be drawn somewhere beyond two adult human beings wanting to get married because they love each other !
 
But yeah right, because gay people can be considered equal to animals or sex offenders.. jeez what the hell ?!?
Lol that's not what I'm saying. I saying will it ever end?
There has to be a line. The same is true of everything. Otherwise laws get pushed to the breaking point.
Marriage between two adult humans, regardless of sexual orientation and both actually wanting to do it. There's a line.

That is acceptable.
Christians need to look at their I.D cards and realize it does not say native of New Jerusalem. (yet)
We live in secular countries. As long as they don't force Christian pastors/ministers to marry them, then that is fine.
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