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-DaGoN-
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Topic: Religion and Politics Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 3:36pm |
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Oh, I was thinking to copy my post from the "SCIENCE" thread also here.
This post doesn't deal with the logic of god, but more with his personal use, on an emotional level.
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Heavenly_tRiNiTy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 4:17pm | |||
yes good post, not a believer in mixing ur words lol. Anyway I would say that;
1) people devoid of any good/kind acts and intent on extremely immoral acts are by definition - evil! Hitler, Stalin and others thought nothing of genocide on an international level. I doubt whether it disturbed their psyche at all. 2) To state that everyone has a choice is to assume every single one of us is in complete control of their actions. This is not accurate. SYZYGY's claim that it is possible to separate the person from their actions is true to an extent. But imo we differ for I believe everyone of us is responsible/accountable for their actions and are judged by the law (divine, natural, moral whatever). The stoning of the adultress/prostitute was to show Jewish law enforcers (scribes and pharisees) that they were not fit to cast judgement (let he who is without sin cast the first stone) not telling people they shouldn't judge. He pardoned her, and as you say, everyone no matter how bad deserves a chance (if they show true remorse and a willingness to change). However my rule is not to judge others - period. 3) Not all christians behave "like Hitler at a Bar mitzvah" (great analogy when you look at the subjects). I don't condemn or feel the need to convert anyone. I merely wish to explain that, although for some it is highly illogical to believe in God, there are many good reasons too. I live good with my atheist friends, we sometimes argue about 'morality' etc but i have no desire to force my will on them - believe or not, that is the choice. And we are all free to choose (hopefully).
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 5:04pm | |||
great post Lucy its ok to have a difference of oppinion, like living gay and gay marriage. i think living gay is wrong, but ive never mistreated any gay person! and i think gay marriage is wrong and void, but i don't rant about it and protest against it! ive got my own life to live and my own decisions to make! so i don't bother with issues that don't involve me! i voted in 08 for the first time ever. and i'll vote in November but voting is as far as my involvement will go! xD on here its just questions and oppinions so no real harm done no matter what your view is. oh wait, anyone want to know who the next President will be? Tim P. Governor if Minn. |
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2010 at 7:30pm | |||
you guys all have interesting view points while of course I disagree with some I still respect them.
I've mostly only posted when somebody quoted scripture waaaay outta context. God does not make people sick in this day and age -_- |
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 9:23am | |||
If not. How the fvck would you know ?? How dare you (all humans) claiming to know who or what created or or even more, how this deity thinks, acts, and WHY it does so ??
I'm really open for other thoughts, and if someone believes in god I respect it as long as this person doesn't try to put his faith onto me. But I can really not stand the point "God has a reason 4 everything" to justify horrible things in life.
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 10:52am | |||
Dagon alls your doing is using your phony ass iq and your don't push your religion on me BS to attack Christianity and some people's views! anyone can see that because its lame as hell! you really need to knok the petty sh1t off!
HOW DARE YOU? i mean who the hell do you think you are? lol who cares what YOU CAN'T STAND? if you settle down you just may learn something kid? whats the difference between being a Christian and being Jewish? Quantum physics only works in certain areas! why is this? How did the Myans create a calendar more accurate then our current calendars so long ago? what is Aqua having for dinner? |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:04am | |||
GOD wants whats best for all of us!
satan wants to decieve us and keep us miserable and away from GOD! i can kick satans ass though! so i don't worry about it xD |
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:11am | |||
Sizzle this is a discussion thread, if we JUST go on here and say "I have my opinion and you have yours" then this thread wouldn't exist of course one party wants to push his opinion on the other. But I'm just saying I could care less what you believe cause I myself am sure I am right, so are you so we're not gonna get anywhere. That's why Aqua's post was so great.
But to say god has a reason for everything to justify the suffering of so many innocent people is to me disrespectful.
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:13am | |||
"GOD wants whats best for all of us!"
How do you know ?
Why does he kill innocent people then ?
Why do people still have to suffer, while rapists can walk the earth happily ?
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ax412
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:26am | |||
because in a physical fight he would beat everybody with one arm.
however in a battle of words or in our case "Word" we would win
dagov go read the Bible God is not responsible for today's suffering.
its not even His will for that.
remember in christianity theres a devil man cmon now.
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:44am | |||
GOD kills innocent people? oh i see! you don't believe in GOD yet you still get to blame everything bad on GOD.
suffering at times is part of lifes experience. if your girl leaves you for another guy is that GODS doing? if you choose to be miserable about it instead of just moving on? is that GODS doing? if you choose to quit your job? is that GODS doing? if you choose to stay poor and miserable? is that GODS doing? we have choices until we die! sometimes evil things happen but thats not GODS doing! its satan and his minions! did you forget about satan? you know? the angel that GOD threw in the pit for try'n to overthrow GOD in heavan? the angel that is now so miserable that he has become misery itsself. satan is pure evil nothing more nothing less! and he wants us all! and he wants us just as miserable as he is! so if you need to blame someone? blame satan! or since you say you don't believe in anything? maybe you shouldn't cast any blame at all? just chalk everything up as natural occurances. and coincencedence. |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 11:55am | |||
naw i done kicked satans ass in life! he don't want none! trust me |
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 12:20pm | |||
Why do you pray when someone beloved is sick if god cannot act in our present time ? Or if he can and he really loves us all, why doesn't he heal all the sick ?
Forget it. I'm done with this.
I rather show the inner strength to take care of my own problems than pray to my ceiling.
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 12:32pm | |||
it still doesn't give you the right to go after the person or there religion! i havn't attacked atiests for not believing in GOD! its there choice!
but you assume your right and you think religious people are all just ignorant. over a billion of us are ignorant and your right? have you ever heard of bible scholars? they would be more able to point you to bible referances then me! i go by life experiences. not the bible. i don't have a holy'r then thow attitude! ive made my mistakes 4 sure! ive been human but i just don't let my own mistakes turn me away from GOD! GOD can forsake me but i'll never blame or forsake GOD! because if im not the man he intended me to be its my fault not his! i would imagine that if GOD created everything and he's been around for billions of years or longer? he's pretty wise by now. a whole hell of a lot wiser then me or you will ever be! so i never question GOD! i just live my life and realise im just one of billions of unique people on earth. and try to enjoy what life i have left. xD |
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 12:40pm | |||
see there you go, plain stupid? then you give an example, why doesn't GOD heel the sick? i don't know where you took your iq test? but?
erm? our inner strength was also given to us by GOD so mock religion if you like? |
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 12:57pm | |||
I took my test with a professional.
2 weeks ago, the child of my neighbours got hit by a car. Why ? Why did god not prevent that ? Because he works in mysterious ways ? -.-
Maybe it was a sad accident ?
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 1:00pm | |||
You're acting like I'm the only atheist.
And you even sai yourself you KNOW god is real, well I KNOW he's not. I KNOW !
WE BOTH KNOW !
You starting to see the problem ?
And don't say you don't care about atheists being atheist, why'd you create this and the other thread then ? You started this discussion didn't you ? If you didn't mind you would have already stopped posting !
It's natural.
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SIZZLE
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 2:33pm | |||
i got hit by a car when i was 12, and the driver of the car was drunk. a friend was trailing me on my bike. the car was speeding and hit us point blank with the center of his front bumper. and yet it just broke my left leg and my friend just got 1 bump on his head? the police estimated that the car was going 60 mph so i guess we were very lucky?
i don't view everything that happens on earth as a religious occurance. |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 3:41pm | |||
Ok anyone who does not believe in A first cause IE God is ignorant, Richard Dawkins; in his book, "The god delusion" he sais, there must be a first cause IE God. Steven Hakins sais there must be A first cause, whitch is an uncaused cause. Why? Ill try and be very simple but the reasons for a rational belief in a first cause are numerous and complicated, FIRSTLY you happen to stumble across a watch on the floor, you asume that some one has droped it, and that someone got it from a shop which got it from a factory which made it using a DESIGN, You stumble across a stone, you COULD assume its been there for all time. WHY? Because the watch has cogs and ****, and its complicated and every cog fits together perfectly, and its all works.
The world, Nature is the same, all animals automaticly develop an equalibrium with its environment, and the conditions on our planet are absolutly perfect for life, and the conditions of the universe, IE the strenght of the nucleur weak/ strong force and gravity and the mass of certian particals have to be EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE for life or any structure of mass to have formed, this suggest that like the watch the universe which is almost INFINATLY more complaicated and EXACT must also have a designer. The only other way it could have been so perfect for any matter to have formed would be if the multiverse theory was correct, there are some problems with that theory though... |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 3:52pm | |||
most people who believe in God Dagon dont have a clue what they are talking about, they assume he must controll everything, thats B llox. The first cause, DID JUST THAT, caused, everything that happend after the causing of the big bang was a consequence, not somthing controlled by the first cause...
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Ha! We've got guns!, No what you have are bullets and the hope that by time you've fired im not still standing because if I am, you'll be dead befor you've reloaded
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 4:26pm | |||
religion is primitive..
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 4:35pm | |||
quoted for truth
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-DaGoN-
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 4:49pm | |||
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 4:54pm | |||
athiests are all gay
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