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    Posted: 14 Dec 2009 at 1:44pm
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My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
that by far is the best solution to solving so many problems!! Holland has the lowest crime rate in europe and has the best results at rehabilitating offenders leaving prison! They also have the lowest rate of people addicted to class A drugs in the whole world! They pump all the money they get from taxing the sale of weed into useful things like tackling hard crime and hard drugs!
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those drugs are truly harmful, and have sugnificantly less or no medical or benificial. im a supporter of psilosybin active mushrooms. but besides opening you mind they dont really benifit you ( or at least paul stamets hasnt found any medical uses, although he is experimenting with it for a veriety of illnesses) i wouldnt want someone driving while hillusinating. there is reson behind why these drugs are illegal
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Originally posted by BAIN

My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
that by far is the best solution to solving so many problems!! Holland has the lowest crime rate in europe and has the best results at rehabilitating offenders leaving prison! They also have the lowest rate of people addicted to class A drugs in the whole world! They pump all the money they get from taxing the sale of weed into useful things like tackling hard crime and hard drugs!
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Originally posted by BAIN

My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
 
 
I agree completely.
I think its a bit disingenuous to say that only marijuana should be legalized.
 
ALL drugs should be legal and regulated. Even Heroin ... I really doubt substantially more people would use it if it were legal.
 
However, those that do use it probably wouldnt die from it, the way they are now.
 
 
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My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
They already tax medical marijuana in Colorado, a model for every state.

Through medical marijuana, you take a produce out of illegal, unregulated, and inefficient markets, and prodive a better quality of life for all citizens.  It's a win-win.  Big smile

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Originally posted by BAIN

My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
not only would we have more room we would save tax money because we would have to pay for these prisoners that got cought with a dime. CA is acctually voting on this next year when and if it passes the law will state the in order to consume marijuana you must be 21, cant sell it near a school and cant drive under the influence. you also cant grow in public veiw. no taxes and growing regulations will be set by local government. to comersially grow you must abtain a growers licience( local government decides the cut off between personal and comersial growing, any region whos local government puts an extremely low or no tax will be unable to grow comersially. hopefully this passes, and the other states fallow in CAs path
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  • Bleach your teeth. That's like saying, "get fat, then do some cardio." Why fix something you can avoid altogether?  Perhaps, drinking tea is more analogous.  The experience and joy of tea outweighs, from my perspective, the revocable teeth damage.  To be more general, this is a value laden decision.  
    • If you value minimizing the negative, then you avoid many actions that are in part "damaging," depriving yourself of experience and to an extent the richness of life.
    • If you value maximizing the net positive, you evaluate actions as a whole, bringing greater happiness and richness to your life, as seen from my values.
  • How does smoking impact your hygiene? You smell like sh1t.  lol, you win.  Such frequent bathing is impractical.  Canna-Butter can avoid this talking point.
  • All of the above don't matter, if you make Canna-butter or hash oil...My wife sold my butter churn at our last garage sale.  You don't need a butter churner to make canna-butter.


    • Light users were divided into subgroups based on how much marijuana they had used in the past.  With no THC in there system at the time of testing, it did not matter how much these subjects had smoked in the past - there was no apparent permanent effects. You don't reap these benefits until you quit though.  Correct.  And, I would like to further clarify that this was for the light use group only.
Life is made up of experience.  To deny yourself experiences that don't irrevocably impede future experience is to decrease the richness of life. The same arguement could be made for NAMBLA.  Haha OMG, I didn't know what that group was.  I concede, a life philosophy can't be held up with two sentences.
 
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I just find that many of those that I know or have known to do it, don't do it responsibly. Getting your dog or cat high isn't cool or funny. Driving around high isn't cool or funny. Smoking dope while children are under your care is not cool or funny. 
Responsibility is related to the individual, not the substance.  The same could be said for a variety of activities like texting while driving and the available and unprescribed drug alcohol. 

In a study ~3,400 fatally injured drivers from three Australian states (Victoria, New South Wales, and Western Australia) between 1990 and 1999, drugs other than alcohol were present in 26.7 percent of the cases. These included cannabis (13.5 percent).
http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/driving.html

I apologize for comparing dissimilar data... The below is US National data.
Year     
Total Dead
w/ Alcohol 
 %  
1990
44,599
22,587
51
1999
41,717
16,572
40
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
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I also felt that while I was being told that it enhances life experiences, I seemed to be missing much more. I would much rather enjoy the beauty of fall foliage via a hike through Stonybrook Park rather than from the seat of my car, covered in Dorito crumbs. 
+1 to NEW life experiences! +1 to richness of life!!! 
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if you want to discuss the harmful effects of cigarette smoke do so in a thread that pertains to that substance. i fully agree cigarettes are harmful, i choose to smoke them because i want to.
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My opinion is that it should be legalized and taxed. Just think of all of the room that the jails would have for the people that really need to be in there. And the tax revenue would be substantial.
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Originally posted by SP61gTSupra

Still dont see how canna butter stops the common link between weed and cigarettes and the obvious lung damage that can occur. 
cigarettes are a completely seporate subject. you are not forced to smoke cigarettes along side the consumption of marijuana. eating the canna butter eliminates the need to smoke the plant thus eliminating the damage to your lungs, plus you can vaporize you bud. when heating it up to a sertain degrees you burn off or vaporize the THC and other cannabiniods eliminating the harmful smoke from the plant.
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Still dont see how canna butter stops the common link between weed and cigarettes and the obvious lung damage that can occur. 
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Originally posted by COKKENBALLS

Originally posted by HanFei

American Medical Association endorses medical marijuana...
Han, the AMA endorses it for medical purposes. I don't think they endorse it for use by 12 people stuffed into a VW Jetta wagon, driving around in a cloud of smoke, selling sh1tty bracelets while following Phish.

Definitely agree.  That's what I hope that post conveyed.  As shown by ~12 states, including CA, there are legitimate medical applications for the drug, especially for cancer and chronic pain patients.  

In short, marijuana shouldn't be group with other "class 1" drugs like Cocaine and Heroin.
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Originally posted by SP61gTSupra

How does Canna butter do such things? 
Sorry, I should have been more specific.  Using Canna-butter avoids only damage to the lungs.  Heavy, habitual use still temporarily degrades the hypothalamus's ability to form new memories.

While there are at least 66 cannabinoids, the psychoactive compounds in marijuana, many are structurally similar the poster-child THC or Tetra-Hydo-Cannabinol.  This compound is fat soluble and found in concentrations of ~3 - 24% in the flowering bud of the female plant.  By soaking the dried bud of the plant in hot, liquid butter, the cannabinoids leave the plant and are suspended in the butter.  When brought down to room temperature to solidify, the canna-butter is used as conventional butter, either as a spread or in cooking.

Wiki-picture of the process.  As an aside, I've never done or seen this in person.
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by SP61gTSupra

I get stressed as well, however I would like to keep my memory, intellect, higher social status,white teeth, smelling good, and not be broke.  But,..thats just me.
  • Social status based on the perception of your peers.  After using Marijuana, Phelps is still highly regarded, although he did loose many promotional contracts... I wouldn't let him babysit my kid.
  • Bleach your teeth. That's like saying, "get fat, then do some cardio." Why fix something you can avoid altogether?
  • How does smoking impact your hygiene? You smell like sh1t.
  • Smoking isn't an expensive habit, comparatively. Weed is expensive, as are the tools required to smoke it. You don't always have an apple to MacGuyver a pipe out of or a 2-liter bottle to make a gravity bong from.
  • All of the above don't matter, if you make Canna-butter or hash oil...My wife sold my butter churn at our last garage sale.

  • Lastly, and the most difficult to discuss is the effect on memory.  From pages 158-161 of "Buzzed" written by 3 PhD's from Duke Medical Center, I've paraphrased the following passages:  
    • Marijuana compromises the ability to learn new information, but not the ability to recall previously learned information.
    • Marijuana appears to have residual effects on cognitive function (including memory) for up to 48 hours.
    • Heavy users (5+ times/week) showed much less mental flexibility in problem solving than did light uses (avg 1/month).  Heavy users often repeatedly made the same mistake.
    • Light users were divided into subgroups based on how much marijuana they had used in the past.  With no THC in there system at the time of testing, it did not matter how much these subjects had smoked in the past - there was no apparent permanent effects. You don't reap these benefits until you quit though.
    • Deficits were assoiated with those who initiated before age sixteen; those who started after age sixteen showed no deficits.
    • Lastly in 1988 - After two years of public hearings, the administrative law judge for the DEA, Francis Young, wrote that marijuana was "one of the safest the****utically active substances known to man."  And, that marijuana fulfilled the lefal requirement of currently acceptable medical use.  However, his order that marijuana be moved to a schedule 2 was overruled by the DEA. Comparatively speaking. . .
Life is made up of experience.  To deny yourself experiences that don't irrevocably impede future experience is to decrease the richness of life. The same arguement could be made for NAMBLA.
Han Fei's posts are among my favorite to read. Philisophical, blended with fact and never sharp or attacking. Whenever I post in response to him, I know there is a fair chance he is going to blow holes in it without calling me names or making fun of me. The choice to use marijauna is a personal one. I don't condemn those who do it. I just find that many of those that I know or have known to do it, don't do it responsibly. Getting your dog or cat high isn't cool or funny. Driving around high isn't cool or funny. Smoking dope while children are under your care is not cool or funny. I've smoked, many times. Finally, I came to a point in my life where there were more important things to do. I also felt that while I was being told that it enhances life experiences, I seemed to be missing much more. I would much rather enjoy the beauty of fall foliage via a hike through Stonybrook Park rather than from the seat of my car, covered in Dorito crumbs.
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Marijuana is the greatest medicine.
 
 
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Originally posted by HanFei

American Medical Association endorses medical marijuana...
Han, the AMA endorses it for medical purposes. I don't think they endorse it for use by 12 people stuffed into a VW Jetta wagon, driving around in a cloud of smoke, selling sh1tty bracelets while following Phish.
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Marijuana is the greatest medicine.
 
 
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by SP61gTSupra

And by future experiences do you mean lung cancer?  
1) Eating Canna-Butter avoids adverse affects associated with smoking.
2) On page 153 of Buzzed by 3 PhDs of Duke, "So far, no definitive evidence links marijuana smoking with lung caner, but eventually such a link will probably be established."

In short, Marijuana shouldn't be a class 1 drug, along with Cocaine, Heroine, etcetera.
How does Canna butter do such things? 
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yeah i have a job im a custodian for the near by school district. smoking in no way impedes my normal daily duties, or my ability to function in normally in society.

and thank you hanfei you said it all.
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