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    Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 4:41pm

if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k

everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)
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Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by TuNA FISh

syzygy, did you even watch the video?                                                       king_eternal, dont know if you were quoting me because i'm on my cell phone but i hope not. everything you said made no sense and you have no way to back it up except saying "have faith" so dont act like you know. you and syzygy keep saying the same thing over and over.
obviously if your name isn't in that white square that says quote then I wasn't talking to u. The whole have faith thing was me agree with paw so don't try call me out tuna boy.


yeah well on my phone i cant tell who's being quoted half the time kingy boy. i wasnt even calling you out, i just disagreed with you
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Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by HanFei

Below is the problem of evil:

If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
Evil exists.
If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.
That makes absolutely no sense man. The answer lies with the concept of FREE WILL and misunderstanding
of it. Free will is the most loving act of all and God is all love. We
know that forced love is not real love. It's like forcing someone to
marry someone at the altar. Now, is that real love? Of course it isn't.

So
now let's go back to the answer. In order for God to stop all evil, he
would have to interfere with one's own will. What if someone wanted to
commit murder by their own free will? If God stopped them, He would then
be violating His own love for us and His gift of Free Will. Let's take
it a step back further- which evil then should God stop: some of it or
all of it? Evil is evil no matter what shape, form, or degree including
an evil thought. Evil actions are born from evil thoughts. In order for
evil to not exist, God would have to program our minds to never think
evil and remove our freedom of thought. Essentially we would be nothing
more that robots with only one choice available: to make the right
choice only! But once again, that wouldn't make us humans and that would
not be authentic love. If you cause someone to make a specific choice
than that choice is no longer free. God loved us so much that he gave us
a choice to love Him back or not, to believe Him so or not.


Yes, this first counter only explains evil derived from human action. However, there are still unaccounted natural acts of evil like hurricanes, earthquakes, viruses etcetera that cannot if exist with the biblical definition of god, as shown above. We can add a second counter wherein such evils are the result of other superhuman beings with free will like Satan and his legions.

I think it much more practical to assume microbial infection, volcanoes and damaging weather are the result of causal interactions not the devil or some comparable being(s).
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god gave mother earth free will aswell ;)

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Originally posted by Deadaim

if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)



Im confused. I don't know what to believe. Everyone is different. I fear what scares me. And so far, it's been death. I ask for help and show me my path, but the future is a blur. The past is clear for me.
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Originally posted by BuMrUsH

Originally posted by Deadaim

if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)



Im confused. I don't know what to believe. Everyone is different. I fear what scares me. And so far, it's been death. I ask for help and show me my path, but the future is a blur. The past is clear for me.
 
is that off the new drake album? j/k
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Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...
would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?

I agree.
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by THE_KING_ETERNAL


Originally posted by HanFei

Below is the problem of evil:

If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
Evil exists.
If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.
That makes absolutely no sense man. The answer lies with the concept of FREE WILL and misunderstanding
of it. Free will is the most loving act of all and God is all love. We
know that forced love is not real love. It's like forcing someone to
marry someone at the altar. Now, is that real love? Of course it isn't.

So
now let's go back to the answer. In order for God to stop all evil, he
would have to interfere with one's own will. What if someone wanted to
commit murder by their own free will? If God stopped them, He would then
be violating His own love for us and His gift of Free Will. Let's take
it a step back further- which evil then should God stop: some of it or
all of it? Evil is evil no matter what shape, form, or degree including
an evil thought. Evil actions are born from evil thoughts. In order for
evil to not exist, God would have to program our minds to never think
evil and remove our freedom of thought. Essentially we would be nothing
more that robots with only one choice available: to make the right
choice only! But once again, that wouldn't make us humans and that would
not be authentic love. If you cause someone to make a specific choice
than that choice is no longer free. God loved us so much that he gave us
a choice to love Him back or not, to believe Him so or not.


Yes, this first counter only explains evil derived from human action. However, there are still unaccounted natural acts of evil like hurricanes, earthquakes, viruses etcetera that cannot if exist with the biblical definition of god, as shown above. We can add a second counter wherein such evils are the result of other superhuman beings with free will like Satan and his legions.

I think it much more practical to assume microbial infection, volcanoes and damaging weather are the result of causal interactions not the devil or some comparable being(s).
-_-
what is sin?
separation from God
what does sin produce? DEATH
disease leads to what?
DEATH
earthquakes lead to what?
DEATH
and it goes on
you cant blame God for anything.
he didnt cause the problem but he provided a free solution.
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Originally posted by Deadaim

Originally posted by BuMrUsH

Originally posted by Deadaim


if there is no god, then explain phantaci raping you all? lol j/k



everyone qM believes in god.. i wonder why we are so much better then the rest of you guys :)
Im confused. I don't know what to believe. Everyone is different. I fear what scares me. And so far, it's been death. I ask for help and show me my path, but the future is a blur. The past is clear for me.


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<FONT style=": #000000">is that off the new drake album? j/k


Nah, it's fresh of my heart.
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this thread is proof that there's more chance of pigs falling from the sky than a reasoned intellectual debate on iamgaming, lol
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The biggest hypocrite is a Christian on their death bed.  Tell them they are going to die without treatment, they get the treatment.  Because at the end of the day, you only really care about living, and all the God nonsense goes right out the bloody window.    Now a tru believer would want to die and go to heaven "maybe".  It's fun to watch.  I also love hearing preachers ask god for help for cancer patients.  It's kinda like the tire company putting nails out infront of their store!  
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one of the coolest things ever was when Miyamoto Musashi was walking to a duel he knew he was probably not going to walk away from. he stopped by a Buddha shrine to pray and right before he rang the bell to start praying he stopped himself and realized that it was dumb to rely on God. he realized that the only person he could rely on was himself.. he walked to the spot he was going to duel 2 hours early because he knew he was going to be ambushed and fought a dozen samurai head on and actually killed a few and escaped. he was surrounded on all sides by samurai who were trying to kill him yet he still lived. i think he was like 18 or 19 years old. amazing
he fought in over 60 duels to the death and never lost.

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Originally posted by TuNA FISh

one of the coolest things ever was when Miyamoto Musashi was walking to a duel he knew he was probably not going to walk away from. he stopped by a Buddha shrine to pray and right before he rang the bell to start praying he stopped himself and realized that it was dumb to rely on God. he realized that the only person he could rely on was himself.. he walked to the spot he was going to duel 2 hours early because he knew he was going to be ambushed and fought a dozen samurai head on and actually killed a few and escaped. he was surrounded on all sides by samurai who were trying to kill him yet he still lived. i think he was like 18 or 19 years old. amazing he fought in over 60 duels to the death and never lost.


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lunchy, why should Christians be against docotors?
God heals, but he can also heal through the hands of a doctor.
the media brings up those wackos who dont want help.
thank God 4 doctors,
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why does he need to thank God for doctors? makes no sense..

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Okay, thank God for doctors to heal the ailments that God himself give them?  That's where it starts to fall apart!!!
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Slavery condoned by bible:
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-_- who said God gave them the diseases.
and no tuna I'm saying thank God for doctors.
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Come on guys back on topic.

Do you believe you can beat qM?

Loads of people stepped up, but them same loads failed miserably.

And we can/have proof.
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Originally posted by Blackfang

-_- who said God gave them the diseases.
and no tuna I'm saying thank God for doctors.


So you can't blame God for anything bad, but you have to give him all the credit for everything good? Doesn't really add up, but it sounds like a pretty sweet deal for him.
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science is backed with facts by the most brilliant minds in the world.


lolololol brilliant? i knew this was coming thats why i posted what i did about science in the first place.

Einstein concluded the universe must be expanding just by figuring it out in his head. now scientists say it is expanding. now thats brilliant! or was he simply enlightened?

the worse thing about so called brilliant minds is there ego and overwhelming need to be right. Hawkins spent years just thinking and reasoning about black holes. his theory on black holes won him the biggest prize in science. if he hadn't proved his own theory about black holes was wrong science would still cinsider his theory to be fact. that was my point before in my earlier post about Hawkins theory. IT WAS WRONG!!! yet science had considered it to be fact for years.

just because some scientist's theory gets taken as fact doesn't mean it accualy is a fact! most scientists study a subject for years and years hoping to figure out something new but they usually can't prove there conclusion.

with new advances in tech im sure we will find out some new things but you should never just believe everything you see in a science book or on a science program because there wrong alot of the time.


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i now see that we need to pray for some of you

one of you will haft to take Tuna lol

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-_- who said God gave them the diseases.
and no tuna I'm saying thank God for doctors.


So you can't blame God for anything bad, but you have to give him all the credit for everything good? Doesn't really add up, but it sounds like a pretty sweet deal for him.
 almost anything bad we do to ourselves. the more tech we hv the faster we r killing ourselves. we form soo many new diseases. once we find a cure for a disease most of the time there will be a new disease that worst than that one.
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Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...
would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?

id still like some input on my question, just dont want it to be forgotten. iv read every post after it n unless i missed 1 i dont think anyone has responded yet.
anyways, id like some feedback as i feel it is a valid question.

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