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    Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 2:09pm
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WRONG? lmfao! #1 “IF” can never be used to prove anything! #2 string theory is just a theory therefore its mute until proven! #3 philosofhy has nothing to do with the natural workings of the brain!#4 is a black whole or dark energy aware of its own existance? is it possible for a black whole or dark matter to figure out what i am?#5 you acually just helped me prove my point lolTHERE'S NOTHING KNOWN IN EXISTANCE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THE HUMAN BRAIN! EXCEPT GOD

2) See moot http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot
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[Studies] on the human brain are much more helpful and interesting to me [than] dark energy or blackholes. A good example would be your view of this thread. lollearning the secrets of the universe on a gaming site over a cup of coffee would be nice Aqua, but i think your just asking a little too much of us gamers my man _-)
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thats was a great lecture Han Fei, its 2010 and there's still so much to be learned about the brain and the human condition xD

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1) ...not all animals are as socially adept (tigers live an almost solitary existence) but they evolve too.
2) If evolution is responsible for all the good things you posted then is it also responsible for the bad ones too?
3) If there is no real reason for love then are u saying that evolution introduces things without any real reason?
4) I think everything is science is proven to have a purpose. Laws and processes do [have purpose.]

1) Biological evolution does not require social groups. Populations of organisms without brains, having neural nets or no neurons, exhibit evolution over time.

2) Evolution is:
      "any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next.” Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989.
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      “Biological evolution ...is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual.” Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, 1986.
      Evolution is simply the change in a genetic system both now and over time with respect to the properties of those systems. Whether these traits are good/bad is contingent on the perspective of the viewer.

3) I don't understand.

4) If by purpose, you mean reason for being, see "causal systems." If by purpose, you mean ramification, then of course; everyone is in agreement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_system
3. Why there is evolution, that's like asking "Why is there love ?". You may say "Because god gave it to us." well that explanation is of just the same use to us as saying "No real reason.".
If there is no real reason for love then are u saying that evolution introduces things without any real reason? 
Bad point cos he wasn't stating that evolution allowed us to feel love but I think he did previously idk i'll check back. But if then evolution is simply the agent for change and, we live then die and cease to exist thereafter, why go through all the effort to adapt and survive? As individuals there is no benefit, as a species there is no benefit. Why is the survival of the species so important? Is evolution a universal process or is it somehow unique to our planet? Of course I suppose scientists can't know because the only living organisms known to us are here on earth. But can scientists surmise based on what we observe here on earth?
BTW the socialisation thing was because Dagon mentioned the merits of life being social by nature. The point of life is life itself I think he said. I took that to mean that we have developed purposefully due to evolution. So if evolution affects all living things and not all living things are social animals socialisation cannot be the point of evolution.
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when they say evolution are they telling me that an organism finds a way to add new information to its genetic makeup?
or does the organism simply readjust what it already has.
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Originally posted by Blackfang

when they say evolution are they telling me that an organism finds a way to add new information to its genetic makeup?
or does the organism simply readjust what it already has.

i was terrible at this subject at school but ill try, i think it was somethign like

because of the way ie humans reproduce, theres a large gene-poul (whatever it is in english), with different possible combinations
individuals have genetic mutations for several reasons, i think almost every individual had a lot of mutations in their DNA (where the structure of DNA is changed from what it was) - and although by far not always it comes to expression, when it does it doesnt have to be a disadvantage
if this mutation would bring an advantage for the individual, ie giving a giraffe a longer neck, it would have more food as it can now reach the trees, and the giraffe'd have a larger chance of survival
if the gene(s) responsible could then spread into the gene poule all the specimins with this advantage could live longer and reproduce more, and it can spread like that throughout the population

.. yeah maybe someone who's better at the subject should explain
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We've arranged a civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. we have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

WRONG? lmfao! #1 “IF” can never be used to prove anything! #2 string theory is just a theory therefore its mute until proven! #3 philosofhy has nothing to do with the natural workings of the brain!#4 is a black whole or dark energy aware of its own existance? is it possible for a black whole or dark matter to figure out what i am?#5 you acually just helped me prove my point lolTHERE'S NOTHING KNOWN IN EXISTANCE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THE HUMAN BRAIN! EXCEPT GOD
2) See moot http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot 3) See Ontology http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ontology


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i have a string theory!

in certain instances when a string is pulled a tampon appears. no thats a fact not a theory
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Originally posted by Blackfang

when they say evolution are they telling me that an organism finds a way to add new information to its genetic makeup?
or does the organism simply readjust what it already has.

I happens without choice or preference of the organism.
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evolution is still in question atm even though many scientists do think there's enough evidence to support it.

tools found on Flores island have been dated back to 1 million years ago? homo sapiens existed 1 million years ago?

what does that do to most models for evolution?

chimp-homo sapien-neanderthal-homo sapien? evolve-de evolve-evolve? the dates still don't add up yet imo
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since you seem to be bothered by some of my posts?


bothered? not at all, i haven't taken anythn personal here....i was just agreeing with Aqua. and i have added to this discussion, u remember our chat about light & time :)

we need more stuff like that n wat hanfei posts up

as a side note: Aqua, LOL at ur profile title xD
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Originally posted by TX2k7

Originally posted by Syzygy

since you seem to be bothered by some of my posts?


bothered? not at all, i haven't taken anythn personal here....i was just agreeing with Aqua. and i have added to this discussion, u remember our chat about light & time :)

we need more stuff like that n wat hanfei posts up

as a side note: Aqua, LOL at ur profile title xD

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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

evolution is still in question atm even though many scientists do think there's enough evidence to support it.tools found on Flores island have been dated back to 1 million years ago? homo sapiens existed 1 million years ago? what does that do to most models for evolution?chimp-homo sapien-neanderthal-homo sapien? evolve-de evolve-evolve? the dates still don't add up yet imo

Do you have some source for this?

There are 1,321,369 peer reviewed Journal Articles that include evolution - from a quick search on a public library.
http://ncsu.summon.serialssolutions.com/search?s.cmd=removeFacetValueFilter(SubjectTerms,evolution)&s.fvf%5B%5D=SubjectTerms,evolution,&s.fvf%5B%5D=ContentType,Journal+Article,&s.pn=1&s.q=Evolution

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Damn you HanFei I was gonna ask for a source. :D
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SIZZLE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2010 at 11:18am
Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

evolution is still in question atm even though many scientists do think there's enough evidence to support it.tools found on Flores island have been dated back to 1 million years ago? homo sapiens existed 1 million years ago? what does that do to most models for evolution?chimp-homo sapien-neanderthal-homo sapien? evolve-de evolve-evolve? the dates still don't add up yet imo
Do you have some source for this? There are 1,321,369 peer reviewed Journal Articles that include evolution - from a quick search on a public library. http://ncsu.summon.serialssolutions.com/search?s.cmd=removeFacetValueFilter(SubjectTerms,evolution)&s.fvf%5B%5D=SubjectTerms,evolution,&s.fvf%5B%5D=ContentType,Journal+Article,&s.pn=1&s.q=Evolution If you pick up intelligent design, you can have your faith and science too!


i don't just pick anything Han Fei. when looking for the truth you have to concider the source. there's strong motivations to prove religion is wrong! and im talking about science not religion here! there are many scientists looking for ways to discredit religion! “when religion is a thing of the past”? ‹--thats clear bias and it doesn't belong in science period!

that being said everyone needs to guard against false facts that are motivated by any kind of bias in science. BIAS is the enemy of science and logic!

the true facts about human evolution are still in question at this time imo. what if they dig up an older skeleton in lets say France next week? my point in that is unless the whorld is dug up we can't say for sure what all the facts are.

1 million year old tools? there's always someone who knows something that you don't know, and that goes for all of us.
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Originally posted by ASHYTEBUBLExD

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by Aquaknot

I had hoped this topic would stay on science.  There's so much fascinating information available today.  Most of which is just a few keystrokes away.  I particularly like HanFei's approach.  He never makes a post without doing his homework (no B.S. posts lacking back-up) and always provides links that I lose myself in for hours at a time.
I guess when the purpose of the thread doesn't match the title, this is what you get.
wow? trashing both threads ay? Han Fei does know his sh1t about certain science, but im telling you the that were more fascinating then anything out there in space!study's on the human brain are much more helpful and interesting to me then dark energy or blackholes.a good example would be your view of this thread. lollearning the secrets of the universe on a gaming site over a cup of coffee would be nice Aqua, but i think your just asking a little too much of us gamers my man _-)
WRONG, physics & Philosophy together discuss THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS in the universe, If we understand every level of partical physics, strings for example, we wouldn't need to know about the brain when we know why everything forms ( IE ) atoms form the way they do.String theory suggest that the vibration of the string changes what the Quark will do and therfore the atom, knowing this we could create our own atoms and mass manufacture cells and body patrs IE the brain, this is of course when we get instruments powerfull anough to interact or even see the strings. And we don't actualy have proof that the strings / membranes even exsist, we only think they do due to the equation behind it.


WRONG? lmfao!

#1 “IF” can never be used to prove anything!
#2 string theory is just a theory therefore its mute until proven!
#3 philosofhy has nothing to do with the natural workings of the brain!
#4 is a black whole or dark energy aware of its own existance? is it possible for a black whole or dark matter to figure out what i am?
#5 you acually just helped me prove my point lol

THERE'S NOTHING KNOWN IN EXISTANCE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THE HUMAN BRAIN! EXCEPT GOD

Yes there is, God is simple so he doesnt need much knowing, PARTICAL PHYSICS MAKES UP EVERYTHING, ITS THE BASE OF EVERYTHING so its alot more important than the brain.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

evolution is still in question atm even though many scientists do think there's enough evidence to support it.tools found on Flores island have been dated back to 1 million years ago? homo sapiens existed 1 million years ago? what does that do to most models for evolution?chimp-homo sapien-neanderthal-homo sapien? evolve-de evolve-evolve? the dates still don't add up yet imo
Do you have some source for this? There are 1,321,369 peer reviewed Journal Articles that include evolution - from a quick search on a public library. http://ncsu.summon.serialssolutions.com/search?s.cmd=removeFacetValueFilter(SubjectTerms,evolution)&s.fvf%5B%5D=SubjectTerms,evolution,&s.fvf%5B%5D=ContentType,Journal+Article,&s.pn=1&s.q=Evolution If you pick up intelligent design, you can have your faith and science too!


i don't just pick anything Han Fei. when looking for the truth you have to concider the source. there's strong motivations to prove religion is wrong! and im talking about science not religion here! there are many scientists looking for ways to discredit religion! “when religion is a thing of the past”? ‹--thats clear bias and it doesn't belong in science period!

that being said everyone needs to guard against false facts that are motivated by any kind of bias in science. BIAS is the enemy of science and logic!

the true facts about human evolution are still in question at this time imo. what if they dig up an older skeleton in lets say France next week? my point in that is unless the whorld is dug up we can't say for sure what all the facts are.

1 million year old tools? there's always someone who knows something that you don't know, and that goes for all of us.

I Hate when people say "science is against God" thats bull... Scientist can do there personal thing... but when it comes down to it NOTHING in science goes against God
and not even evolution, Did I say the God as cristians understand him? NOPE, a first un-caused cause, a being of higher intelegence. I think we should Be carefull of confusing the word God with the meaning religion. << I wasnt disagreing with you BTW.
However the theory of evolution is flawed, and theories were made to be disproven not proven =]
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Originally posted by ASHYTEBUBLExD

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by ASHYTEBUBLExD

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by Aquaknot

I had hoped this topic would stay on science.  There's so much fascinating information available today.  Most of which is just a few keystrokes away.  I particularly like HanFei's approach.  He never makes a post without doing his homework (no B.S. posts lacking back-up) and always provides links that I lose myself in for hours at a time.
I guess when the purpose of the thread doesn't match the title, this is what you get.
wow? trashing both threads ay? Han Fei does know his sh1t about certain science, but im telling you the that were more fascinating then anything out there in space!study's on the human brain are much more helpful and interesting to me then dark energy or blackholes.a good example would be your view of this thread. lollearning the secrets of the universe on a gaming site over a cup of coffee would be nice Aqua, but i think your just asking a little too much of us gamers my man _-)
WRONG, physics & Philosophy together discuss THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS in the universe, If we understand every level of partical physics, strings for example, we wouldn't need to know about the brain when we know why everything forms ( IE ) atoms form the way they do.String theory suggest that the vibration of the string changes what the Quark will do and therfore the atom, knowing this we could create our own atoms and mass manufacture cells and body patrs IE the brain, this is of course when we get instruments powerfull anough to interact or even see the strings. And we don't actualy have proof that the strings / membranes even exsist, we only think they do due to the equation behind it.
WRONG? lmfao! #1 “IF” can never be used to prove anything! #2 string theory is just a theory therefore its mute until proven! #3 philosofhy has nothing to do with the natural workings of the brain!#4 is a black whole or dark energy aware of its own existance? is it possible for a black whole or dark matter to figure out what i am?#5 you acually just helped me prove my point lolTHERE'S NOTHING KNOWN IN EXISTANCE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THE HUMAN BRAIN! EXCEPT GOD
Yes there is, God is simple so he doesnt need much knowing, PARTICAL PHYSICS MAKES UP EVERYTHING, ITS THE BASE OF EVERYTHING so its alot more important than the brain.


BRAIN›PARTICAL PHYSICS    
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Science is no more interested in destroying religion than the Bible can explain science.  Each has it's purpose.  Let's let them coexist.

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Does that even exist, is that a proven science?
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

evolution is still in question atm even though many scientists do think there's enough evidence to support it.tools found on Flores island have been dated back to 1 million years ago? homo sapiens existed 1 million years ago? what does that do to most models for evolution?chimp-homo sapien-neanderthal-homo sapien? evolve-de evolve-evolve? the dates still don't add up yet imo
Do you have some source for this? There are 1,321,369 peer reviewed Journal Articles that include evolution - from a quick search on a public library. http://ncsu.summon.serialssolutions.com/search?s.cmd=removeFacetValueFilter(SubjectTerms,evolution)&s.fvf%5B%5D=SubjectTerms,evolution,&s.fvf%5B%5D=ContentType,Journal+Article,&s.pn=1&s.q=Evolution If you pick up intelligent design, you can have your faith and science too!
i don't just pick anything Han Fei. when looking for the truth you have to concider the source. there's strong motivations to prove religion is wrong! and im talking about science not religion here! there are many scientists looking for ways to discredit religion! “when religion is a thing of the past”? ‹--thats clear bias and it doesn't belong in science period!that being said everyone needs to guard against false facts that are motivated by any kind of bias in science. BIAS is the enemy of science and logic! the true facts about human evolution are still in question at this time imo. what if they dig up an older skeleton in lets say France next week? my point in that is unless the whorld is dug up we can't say for sure what all the facts are. 1 million year old tools? there's always someone who knows something that you don't know, and that goes for all of us.
I Hate when people say "science is against God" thats bull... Scientist can do there personal thing... but when it comes down to it NOTHING in science goes against Godand not even evolution, Did I say the God as cristians understand him? NOPE, a first un-caused cause, a being of higher intelegence. I think we should Be carefull of confusing the word God with the meaning religion. << I wasnt disagreing with you BTW.However the theory of evolution is flawed, and theories were made to be disproven not proven =]


first off what we hate hearing is irelevant. science is science and its not against anything except bias,dishonesty and irrationality! but if you don't already know that certain groups of scientists try to discredit religion then id have to conclude that your not very informed. like i said im talking about SCIENCE not RELIGION!!! religion is just an example of 1 of the bias's that exists.

i don't know how i could have made my points any clearer? which tells me what i already knew to be true. people listen or “READ” and as they listen or “READ” some people tend to put there own twist on what there hearing or “READING”. its sort of like poor translation. or saying to yourself this is what they really ment by that.

i was speaking on evolution and science only! religion was just an example!!!!!!!!!! lol    

are you a physicist? im not being an ass i was just wondering if anyone knows physics?

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maybe i shouldn't of used religion as an example xD there's already a lot of history of bias on both sides science and religion lol

Mass is the amount of Matter in a Body or Object. hahaha

We don't yet know what gives a Body or Object its Mass? hahaha

any ideas? hahaha

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the gravity force ?
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