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Originally posted by Pendulum Originally posted by HanFei Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc you guys don't realise that he's being misleading lol thats whats hillarious.. im not going to explain how either :) gravity don't need to be reevaluated? i think it does, and i think it may be the key Han Fei what can compress something enough to created a black hole? name a senond thing that can do it Tyson has no reason to mislead. A dying star roughly two times the mass of our sun, centers of galaxies, etcetera. http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/BlackHoleFormation.html   The man is the most reknown astrophysicists we have living on earth, Han Fei is correct, everything he lecures about is based on fact, you should watch the portion of hypothesis on alien life and the 1% percent theory it is shocking and brilliant.

@Han.. Tyson has no reason to mislead? so you know him personally? what in the known universe can compress something enough to create a black hole? how many things can do it? pretty simple questions, but you might not find the answer on wiki? maybe you can e-mail Tyson and ask him for me? jks

@Pen.. the man is the most reknown astrophysicists we have living on earth.. <thats a matter of opinion.. everything he lectures about is based on fact.. <wrong! and then there's the word brilliant again? so you'll believe him without question Pen?

did Tyson leave anything out about dec 2012 in that lecture? yes! that shows 1 of 2 things.. either he don't know or he's being misleading? he dam sure knows so he's being misleading! but you guys believe what you want lol completely dismissing dec 2012 when different things in history point to it doesn't make any since.. its not an end of the world scenario like its usually portraid by some people and some programs

@Dagon.. heat is constantly released from black holes?     

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker Originally posted by TuNA FISh Time in the sense we know of is man made such as minutes and hours but time itself isn't man made. Time being stacked in layers makes the most sense and I'm not the one who came up with that, Einstein did And he was wrong... Thats proven now, Planck was right all along.. Mass do not need to expand if speed is increasing.. Check out David Sereda on it.. Edit: @Zizle. NO. Even light dissapears. As far as we know. But heat is the matter that emit from light so it is the last we see before the hole take it. There could be singularitys tho, and center off a black hole is a singularity in it self. Laws of physics do not aply there... In our own solar system ( this is a general rule) The planets align in spots where they do not move in-out! Not like a twister where things beeing sucked in and on the outer rim they are beeing thrown out.. The milkyway expand and contract ..

your a smart fella i can tell thats not just quoting someone else +1 Shaker

i was just asking Dagon about black holes releasing heat to give him a chance to think about that statement a little more

im interested in my 2 questions about black holes atm

Originally posted by TuNA FISh Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker Originally posted by TuNA FISh Time in the sense we know of is man made such as minutes and hours but time itself isn't man made. Time being stacked in layers makes the most sense and I'm not the one who came up with that, Einstein did And he was wrong... Thats proven now, Planck was right all along.. Mass do not need to expand if speed is increasing.. Check out David Sereda on it.. Edit: @Zizle. NO. Even light dissapears. As far as we know. But heat is the matter that emit from light so it is the last we see before the hole take it. There could be singularitys tho, and center off a black hole is a singularity in it self. Laws of physics do not aply there... In our own solar system ( this is a general rule) The planets align in spots where they do not move in-out! Not like a twister where things beeing sucked in and on the outer rim they are beeing thrown out.. The milkyway expand and contract .. I'll type up a response when I get to my house. I'm on my cell and at work

don't just quote the newest theory though Tuna i watch the science channel some times too :) just jk'n

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Originally posted by TuNA FISh Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker Originally posted by TuNA FISh Time in the sense we know of is man made such as minutes and hours but time itself isn't man made. Time being stacked in layers makes the most sense and I'm not the one who came up with that, Einstein did And he was wrong... Thats proven now, Planck was right all along.. Mass do not need to expand if speed is increasing.. Check out David Sereda on it.. Edit: @Zizle. NO. Even light dissapears. As far as we know. But heat is the matter that emit from light so it is the last we see before the hole take it. There could be singularitys tho, and center off a black hole is a singularity in it self. Laws of physics do not aply there... In our own solar system ( this is a general rule) The planets align in spots where they do not move in-out! Not like a twister where things beeing sucked in and on the outer rim they are beeing thrown out.. The milkyway expand and contract .. I'll type up a response when I get to my house. I'm on my cell and at work don't just quote the newest theory though Tuna i watch the science channel some times too :) just jk'n

Ha I bet you do think that I quoted a theory by reality I didn't. I was smoking a cig at work when I made these posts. I know more about this subject than most people

im not presuming anything about what anyone knows Tuna, but it does appear that quotes are being used at times instead of the persons own thoughts.. you asked what people think about the multiverse theory.. who gave you there own thoughts?

i know i did! i think gravity is the key factor in getting the correct answer.. im not convinced that whats currently believed about gravity in absolutely correct

Originally posted by TuNA FISh No one gave me their own thoughts. If I'm interested in something then I'll learn about and try to draw my conclusions. @Dagon I'm assuming your post was directed towards me?

No the "elaborate on the question" is directed to sizzle asking HanFei, the black hole part is for sizzle and shaker

Originally posted by TuNA FISh @syz And you're right lol you are literally the only person who gave me their own thought. And you have to remember that since Neil Tyson is well respected he has to be careful what he says which is why he gives nothing but facts. If he says something that's wrong he may lose his credibility. The whole 2012 thing is fun to think about but it's not worth going into detail over because it's not going to happen.

Tyson is like all astrophysicists.. they all have theory's.. theory's aren't facts though.. there credibility comes over time.. no astrophysicist uses only facts Tuna not even Tyson, and Neil Tyson isn't any more brilliant then Einstein, S.H. or some of the other AP's imo

can you imagine if Einstein was alive today, and in his mental prime :) if Einstein could see, and know the new things that have been discovered since his death? you can bet that he would be able to add some great theory's     

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc [QUOTE=-DaGoN-] ...does gravity exist on its own? is gravity created? what creates gravity? does gravity acually increase? what increases gravity? is there a limit to gravity? get the picture? if gravity exists on its own then maybe it was here first? :) can gravity create anything? what can gravity create? by now you should get the picture :) i know gravity can compress something, and create one hell of an explosion :) my theory is gravity had to exist first

1) Yes, all objects exert gravity on everything. Force decreases as distance increases.
2) It is one of the 4 fundamental forces and always acts. As distance and mass density changes, the magnitude of the force changes.
3) ontological question
4) yes, the force of gravity between X # of objects can increase.
5) the limit, as with all things in mathmatics is infinity, a singularity and/or infinite curvature of space.
6) time does not exist without space. Things being here "first" cannot exist within our current understanding of time.
7) gravity doesn't create it only exerts forces on existing mass
8) see 7

@Bucket: Do you fully understand what you just wrote in post over? And can, from your own words describe it ( in layman terms). If yes, im impressed..

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker @Bucket: Do you fully understand what you just wrote in post over? And can, from your own words describe it ( in layman terms). If yes, im impressed.. I can copy paste my ass off, but that doesnt mean i "know" the stuff..

Originally posted by TuNA FISh Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc Originally posted by TuNA FISh @syz And you're right lol you are literally the only person who gave me their own thought. And you have to remember that since Neil Tyson is well respected he has to be careful what he says which is why he gives nothing but facts. If he says something that's wrong he may lose his credibility. The whole 2012 thing is fun to think about but it's not worth going into detail over because it's not going to happen. Tyson is like all astrophysicists.. they all have theory's.. theory's aren't facts though.. there credibility comes over time.. no astrophysicist uses only facts Tuna not even Tyson, and Neil Tyson isn't any more brilliant then Einstein, S.H. or some of the other AP's imo can you imagine if Einstein was alive today, and in his mental prime :) if Einstein could see, and know the new things that have been discovered since his death? you can bet that he would be able to add some great theory's      I should have worded my post differently. When he is speaking about a subject such as 2012, UFOs, etc. he gives nothing but facts. I listen to his pod cast and he is very careful about what he says.

nothing but facts? he's very careful? Tyson was clearly mocking and making fun of people about 2012! yet 2012 its acually very interesting.. wether there's really anything at all going to happen dec 2012 there's still enough about it to make it ineresting.. just like weather there's really aliens or not there's still enough about aliens to make it interesting.. Tyson has obviouisly decided that there's nothing at all to dec 2012, but he can't know that can he? or maybe he's just so brilliant that he can even see the future? hell maybe we can all see the future? :)

here let me give it a try.. what happens in the US Nov. 2012? it apears there will be a very important election? hm? it apears that the current president loses in that election? what happens between the Nov. 2012 election, and Jan. 2012 when the new President is sworn in? the current President is still the US President between those two times with all that power? what happens Dec 2012? sorry its just not clear :)

that was just 1 example of what makes dec 2012 interesting Tuna.. another is the fact that our border isn't secure at all so there's the possibility that terrorists could smuggle a dirty bomb into this country, and now its being reported that terrorist groups are interacting with Mexican drug cartels.. so when Tyson uses only certain speciffics about alignment to mock and make fun of people about Dec. 2012 he's just clowning himself imo hell maybe Tysons aliens are going to invade the earth Dec. 2012 lool its very easy to mock and make fun of anyone, but that doesn't make the person doing the mocking any more credible Tuna

i think that Dec 2012 is interesting, but i also think golf is interesting.. does Tyson play golf? if so whats his handycap? i bet mine is lower! :)
   

Originally posted by Iuckshot Tyson's mainly replying to a theory about 2012, where the earth gets pulled out of it's orbit or something like that - he says the planet mentioned in the theory doesn't exist, and that the astrological alignment mentioned doesn't really do that much either Humanity is crafty enough to find other ways to make the world end though :D here let me give it a try.. what happens in the US Nov. 2012? it apears there will be a very important election? hm? it apears that the current president loses in that election? what happens between the Nov. 2012 election, and Jan. 2012 when the new President is sworn in? the current President is still the US President between those two times with all that power? what happens Dec 2012? sorry its just not clear :) Lol reading that I imagine an evil cartoon president destroying the world in vengeance :o

Tyson is just another goofball thats good at math! :) end of the world scenario's don't interest me at all Droken.. i don't view Dec. 2012 as an end of the world scenario though.. i guess some people do? if there is something big going to happen Dec. 2012? maybe that time is intentially chosen like 911 was? maybe to create extra fear? the turn of the century came and went without the end of the world even though a lot of smart people were a little worried about it :)

lmao no Droken i wasn't emplying that the President would abuse his power! lol thats part was just open ended.. say for example.. what if the President was in a very bad mood, and over reacted to some big situation?   

but evil cartoon President Droken? oh sh1t thats funny :) you have a very dark mind my friend lol