Religion and Politics

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker @zizle: Religion is politics... It NOT my view its a stated fact.

i disagree with that Shake.. sometimes certain religious leaders do try to influence policy but religion and politics are totaly different

Very good post aqua. If english was my first language I would make my points easyer....

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker Very good post aqua. If english was my first language I would make my points easyer.... Soory bout that.. @Zizle. If you are a personal christian--- That has nothing to do with the stated fact that religion is politics. The difference is enormous.

i still disagree Shake.. people that distort religions and people that choose to follow distorted versions of a religion aren't credibly.. its not the dark ages.. now days most people are literate and can read and pretty much understand what they read.. so there's no way someone could read Jesus's teachings and believe Christianity is acually about violence, greed, conquest, judging people, race or politics.. only someone try'n to distort his meanings would claim it is.. Jesus's teachings is Christianity period.. only his teachings matters in Chtistianity.. not someones distorted spin on what he ment.. beware false profits is great advise in modern day because there's many false profits to choose from now days.. i 100% believe that our individual soul is what Christianity is all about.. and what does our individual soul have to do with politics? absolutly nothing.. some so called Christian religious groups seem to have a politicol agenda but thats there choice as people and not what Jesus was try'n to teach us all.. Jesus's word was ment for every man and woman without bias.. love is deaf, dumb and blind or its not really love at all! Jesus was unconditional love and understanding for all mankind.. American politics is a *the ends justify's the means* no holds bar'd party battle for power! there should be a sign in Washington saying you can (check your soul at the door) but it may not still be there when you leave?

if you can't see the difference in what Jesus was try'n to teach us all and politics? then you really need to question your own reasoning imo my man < thats not ment to be an insult at all Shake.. i just believe that the difference in Jesus's word and politics is so different that anyone should be able to see it

Your depth is beyond what i thaught about you... Really.

thanks Shaker

What you don't understand is that people have been saying the end is near for thousands of years. The human race is going to be ok. Just live life and don't worry about going to hell. It's such a primitive form of control. It's pretty embarrassing to read this **** from people living in the modern world. No religion is better than the next, please understand that. If you were born in Iraq you would be Muslim, if you were born in Thailand then you would be buddist, etc etc etc. You have to have an open mind, and this goes towards stuff like music and movies too. I'm tired of hearing people talk about movies like they are some expert when they have never heard of ingmar Bergman, Kurosawa, Fellini, etc !
lol

Originally posted by TuNA FISh What you don't understand is that people have been saying the end is near for thousands of years. The human race is going to be ok. Just live life and don't worry about going to hell. It's such a primitive form of control. It's pretty embarrassing to read this **** from people living in the modern world. No religion is better than the next, please understand that. If you were born in Iraq you would be Muslim, if you were born in Thailand then you would be buddist, etc etc etc. You have to have an open mind, and this goes towards stuff like music and movies too. I'm tired of hearing people talk about movies like they are some expert when they have never heard of ingmar Bergman, Kurosawa, Fellini, etc ! lol

its imbarrassing ay? read revelations and see what Jesus says.. well nevermind your an athiest so every religion is just nonsence to you

Originally posted by HanFei Originally posted by TuNA FISh What you don't understand is that people have been saying the end is near for thousands of years. The human race is going to be ok. Just live life and don't worry about going to hell. It's such a primitive form of control. It's pretty embarrassing to read this **** from people living in the modern world. No religion is better than the next, please understand that. If you were born in Iraq you would be Muslim, if you were born in Thailand then you would be buddist, etc etc etc. You have to have an open mind, and this goes towards stuff like music and movies too. I'm tired of hearing people talk about movies like they are some expert when they have never heard of ingmar Bergman, Kurosawa, Fellini, etc ! lol

lol sizzle I don't like the term but atheist don't care anything about the Bible, however they do care about what they feel is missing in life, which is why we will d w.e it takes to fill that void. 
only thing they need to hear is Jesus is Lord or Jesus Loves em. Aha

Originally posted by Pendulum Originally posted by ax412 lol sizzle I don't like the term but atheist don't care anything about the Bible, however they do care about what they feel is missing in life, which is why we will d w.e it takes to fill that void.  only thing they need to hear is Jesus is Lord or Jesus Loves em. Aha If you are raised a certain way , or believe in certain things that do not harm other's in your love for the lord , then be proud of it. But telling someone else about Jesus and his religous symbolism is only a matter of opinion. To put it bluntly you respect Jesus for his message and that he is the son of god. I respect Jesus in the sense that he was a man trying to better his fellow man and lived as a prophet only. My point is that you will never win an arguement about religion, the key is to simply acknowledge someone else's opinion and not belittle them for it.

i agree, you'll never hear me talk trash

I normally don't venture too deeply into this subject.  There are a lot of good thoughts in this thread and of course, several crazy ones as well.

Originally posted by TuNA FISh Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc there's millions of people that were born in the middle east that are Christians, and there's millions of people that were born in the west that are muslims. so that point just doesn't hold water people say'n the end is near for thousands of years and being wrong doesn't mean anything except that they were wrong. it doesn't mean that revelations will never occur Isreal is the key in revelations, and Isreal is now in serious jeperdy, but i wouldn't expect athiests to understand or believe revelations Lol I guess I should have used the word MAJORITY. I know about the revelations, syz, and I dont care.

a lot of people live there life without really caring much about other people or whats going on in the world.. thats usually how bad people gain a foot hold.. once an evil person like Musolini or Hitler gets power they celitify there power quickly by assinating any opposition.. ive mentioned the muslim brotherhood in the Egypt thread because of what there leader believes as he has stated in his own words.. money, propaganda and monentum are very powerful tools.. a newly free'd people like the Egyptians are very vulnerable to munipulation, and the muslim brotherhood is the most organized party in Egypt.. look up the muslim brotherhood and see what there leader believes in if you'd like to know why everyone should be concerned about him gaining power in Egypt

the US has taken the lead in policing the world for a long time now, but were already in 2 wars and were in huge debt.. the current middle east situation is very alarming at best.. Iran will have nukes in the near future, and there leaders believe that a lot of blood shed is the key to bringing back the 12th amam.. they also believe there god wants Isreal and the west destroyed.. so people can say that all religions are the same, but its just not the case.. jihad is part of there religion.. there's a big part of that religion that acually believes there to convert or destroy non muslims.. its the leaders that dictate polocy not the people.. look how Irans leaders are dealing with there own people for protesting.. there already calling for executions of the oppiosition.. look up *sharia law* and see how humane the beliefs are in that form of the muslim religion.. there are good peaceful muslims that just want freedom, human rights and a decent life, but they aren't in control unfortunantly

it may be too late to do any thing about whats comming? it may just be whats ment to happen? the west can't control what leaders take control in other country's.. im just telling you that its not looking very good at all! WW3 would be death and kaos on a nightmare'ish scale.. so it needs to be *AVOIDED* at all cost!!! if it can be avoided? the reality is we don't always have a choice

my personal choice is that i will never take any life for any reason! not for my religion, my country, or my own family! killing is never the answer! unconditional love, understanding and forgivness is the answer! judge not unless ye be judged is what i live by in real life.. ive learned to just avoid or ignore negative people because i have the right to be at peace.. im never negative because all other people have that same right to be at peace.. im dam proud of my country! i believe the United States is exceptional as a country.. its by no means perfect, but its a place that human rights and freedom have become the standard, and not the exception.. its a place where you can live in peace as long as you obey the law.. its a place where your opertunity's are endless if your smart, and willing to work hard.. no matter where your from, what your beliefs are or the color of your skin you can suceed in America! Obama proved that! i don't agree with Obama on policy, but i have emence respect for what he achieved by becoming President! he's a testimate to what anyone can achieve in America.. his achievment is also a testimate to what American is becoming.. where still not quite there yet, but we are a relitivly young country.. hopefully we will have enough time to become an even better country

i do care Tuna.. even about your poor little soul :) don't let my iamgaming tough guy persona fool ya

Originally posted by valjohn Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc a lot of people live there life without really ca.....      zzzZZZzzzzZZZ ... ZZzzz...     (just teasing u )

of course your just teasing.. after all you do love to tease