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    Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 3:00pm
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wait u said devil wants people to think good people go to heaven and bad people go to heaven. i got confused here, did u mean to say bad people dont go to heaven? ill assume that unless otherwise stated...anyways, but in the bible did not christ sacrifice himself for ALL mankind? extrapalting from that, should u not then look upon everyone as a brother who too is righteous? regardless of their belief? i gotta take off for a lil bit bit ill come back later and we'll continue
 
yeah my bad and bad people go to hell
 
he died for all mankind...
but just like any gift you get from christmas you can easily reject it.
you have to accept the gift of God
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Religions is a big hoax to put poeple in chackles?
Maybe the truth is in the text somewhere, but to find it is very hard!
And taking in, and accept Jesus as God is a HMS glitch! Human mind system...
There has been 3 terra forming events on this planet, the last for about 12000 yrs back... Maybe its still on, who knows. So in order to say ONE religion is the right one is the purest form for BS.
Its like war on Terror! The guys who started terror is the same as those who want too beat it..
Its a MONEY factory & it puts whole continents on halt..
Its like when my grandmother say that Lusifer is the same as Satan...
Lucifer means Lightcarrier>source of light...
Maybe the religions are afraid of Lucifer and curse "him" because he can tell the truth and for that he is satan...
Its very easy too see that.. For me anyway.
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Religions is a big hoax to put poeple in chackles?
Maybe the truth is in the text somewhere, but to find it is very hard!
And taking in, and accept Jesus as God is a HMS glitch! Human mind system...
There has been 3 terra forming events on this planet, the last for about 12000 yrs back... Maybe its still on, who knows. So in order to say ONE religion is the right one is the purest form for BS.
Its like war on Terror! The guys who started terror is the same as those who want too beat it..
Its a MONEY factory & it puts whole continents on halt..
Its like when my grandmother say that Lusifer is the same as Satan...
Lucifer means Lightcarrier>source of light...
Maybe the religions are afraid of Lucifer and curse "him" because he can tell the truth and for that he is satan...
Its very easy too see that.. For me anyway.
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but isnt the very essence of god and the kingdom of heaven love? love that knows no boundaries or borders...thats knows no skin color or ethnicity...that is given to all people whether or not they believe it?

that would be my opinion on it tho
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Religions is a big hoax to put poeple in chackles?
Maybe the truth is in the text somewhere, but to find it is very hard!
And taking in, and accept Jesus as God is a HMS glitch! Human mind system...
There has been 3 terra forming events on this planet, the last for about 12000 yrs back... Maybe its still on, who knows. So in order to say ONE religion is the right one is the purest form for BS.
Its like war on Terror! The guys who started terror is the same as those who want too beat it..
Its a MONEY factory & it puts whole continents on halt..
Its like when my grandmother say that Lusifer is the same as Satan...
Lucifer means Lightcarrier>source of light...
Maybe the religions are afraid of Lucifer and curse "him" because he can tell the truth and for that he is satan...
Its very easy too see that.. For me anyway.
lol
believe what you must
I only speak the truth... What i just wrote are hard FACTS.
you are very welcome to check it out, but if you believe in some sort of religion, you must free ur chackles and use free will..
PS: IM NOT denying there is a creator=God. coz all belief system say the same or atleast the events are simular.
But its the way it is preached!! Thats all wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ax412 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

Originally posted by ax412

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Religions is a big hoax to put poeple in chackles?
Maybe the truth is in the text somewhere, but to find it is very hard!
And taking in, and accept Jesus as God is a HMS glitch! Human mind system...
There has been 3 terra forming events on this planet, the last for about 12000 yrs back... Maybe its still on, who knows. So in order to say ONE religion is the right one is the purest form for BS.
Its like war on Terror! The guys who started terror is the same as those who want too beat it..
Its a MONEY factory & it puts whole continents on halt..
Its like when my grandmother say that Lusifer is the same as Satan...
Lucifer means Lightcarrier>source of light...
Maybe the religions are afraid of Lucifer and curse "him" because he can tell the truth and for that he is satan...
Its very easy too see that.. For me anyway.
lol
believe what you must
I only speak the truth... What i just wrote are hard FACTS.
you are very welcome to check it out, but if you believe in some sort of religion, you must free ur chackles and use free will..
PS: IM NOT denying there is a creator=God. coz all belief system say the same or atleast the events are simular.
But its the way it is preached!! Thats all wrong.
so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
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Originally posted by TX2k7

but isnt the very essence of god and the kingdom of heaven love? love that knows no boundaries or borders...thats knows no skin color or ethnicity...that is given to all people whether or not they believe it?

that would be my opinion on it tho
and God loves a person enough that he would walk them to the gates of hell if they chose not to accept Christ.
love in 1st corinthians 13
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Originally posted by TX2k7

but isnt the very essence of god and the kingdom of heaven love? love that knows no boundaries or borders...thats knows no skin color or ethnicity...that is given to all people whether or not they believe it?

that would be my opinion on it tho
And you are absolutely 100% right.... Thats a mucho simpler way say it TX.
Its the Religions that devide us, not the opposite.
 
I could go on forever on this subject, but people are not "open" enough to take it in...
 
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so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
Why or where did I write that?
My point here is that any given Beliefsystem is based upon the same events. And WHY is the Christian one the RIGHT one?
When you answer that in a good way, and then tell me what Christianity do, that stands out from the others.
I take it you have read a little and know there are hundreds of older texts that speaks of the same events.. That is NOT a fantasy!
I get so frustrated by people who just flat out are ignorant and dont read history open minded.
If a christian told you the earth was flat! Would you believe it?
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Originally posted by TX2k7

syz, man they translated it from the earliest known version of the new testament. even in most moder bibles theres a footnote saying the number might be 616 not 666.EDIT: darn phant u beat me to it...n ya this is the earliest KNOWN to exist


getting caught up in that is pointless because 666 has always ben known as the mark of the beast. the acual point was Chisox choosing to use it. 666 clearly wasn't just picked out of a hat!

it has taken a little time but i think were making progress   
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Thats what I taught Ax 412 CANT answer....
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Thats what I taught Ax 412 CANT answer....
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answer which post Shaker?
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He wrote: so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
I answered:
Why or where did I write that?
My point here is that any given Beliefsystem is based upon the same events. And WHY is the Christian one the RIGHT one?
When you answer that in a good way, and then tell me what Christianity do, that stands out from the others.
I take it you have read a little and know there are hundreds of older texts that speaks of the same events.. That is NOT a fantasy!
I get so frustrated by people who just flat out are ignorant and dont read history open minded.
If a christian told you the earth was flat! Would you believe it?
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Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
Why or where did I write that?
My point here is that any given Beliefsystem is based upon the same events. And WHY is the Christian one the RIGHT one?
When you answer that in a good way, and then tell me what Christianity do, that stands out from the others.
I take it you have read a little and know there are hundreds of older texts that speaks of the same events.. That is NOT a fantasy!
I get so frustrated by people who just flat out are ignorant and dont read history open minded.
If a christian told you the earth was flat! Would you believe it?
all those stories the basis is the name and power of Christ.
so if they happened then Christ must be Lord.
its not to hard to speak of the same event but i wont get into that part.
theres no point of argueing because you have a misconception about christianity and i sure as hell will never change my mind.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

Thats what I taught Ax 412 CANT answer....
pffft!


answer which post Shaker?
We have been thru this Zyz, I respect your wiews even tho you cant answer...
My aim is to get people to se that there is moore to religions, its NOt enough with blind faith.
I can elaborate for you and I usa a real moment in my life:
My grandfather reads the news. He do not have a tv cos its sin! ( they are personal christian) He continue to read and suddenly say: Im glad im christian, cos they people in the midleeast are retarded and dont understand a thing! They thrive in wars!
I got aggrivated off course and answered: Why is your belief the right one?
Then he said: Cos i know so in my heart!
I was astound that MY grandfather was a rcist and HE knew best.
To turn this story up side down!
The people of the midleeast are devided in beliefsystems.. And who's to KNOW that This or THAT religion is the RIGHT ONE?
They also got a heart and soul, dont they?
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He wrote: so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
I answered:
Why or where did I write that?
My point here is that any given Beliefsystem is based upon the same events. And WHY is the Christian one the RIGHT one?
When you answer that in a good way, and then tell me what Christianity do, that stands out from the others.
I take it you have read a little and know there are hundreds of older texts that speaks of the same events.. That is NOT a fantasy!
I get so frustrated by people who just flat out are ignorant and dont read history open minded.
If a christian told you the earth was flat! Would you believe it?


in Jesus and Muhamid there's clearly differences.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by TX2k7

syz, man they translated it from the earliest known version of the new testament. even in most moder bibles theres a footnote saying the number might be 616 not 666.EDIT: darn phant u beat me to it...n ya this is the earliest KNOWN to exist


getting caught up in that is pointless because 666 has always ben known as the mark of the beast. the acual point was Chisox choosing to use it. 666 clearly wasn't just picked out of a hat!

it has taken a little time but i think were making progress   
I know it is considered the mark of the beast but keep in mind that he didn't use it in relation with satan but with heavy metal music.
 
And Shaker I know what you mean, and I never really understood why we need religion, is god himself not enough ? Why do there need to be so many different religions argueing, fighting, hell even killing ? Phant do you know that there are actually people ready to KILL you just because you believe in the same god but practice your faith in a different way ?
Religions divide people, more than gender or heritage do.
 
Then there's the religions who don't believe in your god who are dead sure themselves that they are right. They KNOW. Just like you know.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

666 is the mark of the beast Dagan and it always has been. so to choose that number is very odd imo.


Syz, almost everything in this world is relative to one's own opinion or view. You may view 666 as the mark of the beast (because you're a Christian, and I can respect your view) . I view it as something loud and heavy, which represents a good portion (60%+ maybe) of the music I listen to. And that's it. Pardon me while I go sacrifice cute little innocent animals in my chamber of death, umm, i mean bedroom.




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You could easily BE my racist grandfather then:
 
its not to hard to speak of the same event but i wont get into that part.
theres no point of argueing because you have a misconception about christianity and i sure as hell will never change my mind.
 
You dont dare get in too that my friend.. Cos then your wiews will fall apart.
So keep ur eyes closed and do what others do.
 
 
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Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

Thats what I taught Ax 412 CANT answer....
pffft!


answer which post Shaker?
We have been thru this Zyz, I respect your wiews even tho you cant answer...
My aim is to get people to se that there is moore to religions, its NOt enough with blind faith.
I can elaborate for you and I usa a real moment in my life:
My grandfather reads the news. He do not have a tv cos its sin! ( they are personal christian) He continue to read and suddenly say: Im glad im christian, cos they people in the midleeast are retarded and dont understand a thing! They thrive in wars!
I got aggrivated off course and answered: Why is your belief the right one?
Then he said: Cos i know so in my heart!
I was astound that MY grandfather was a rcist and HE knew best.
To turn this story up side down!
The people of the midleeast are devided in beliefsystems.. And who's to KNOW that This or THAT religion is the RIGHT ONE?
They also got a heart and soul, dont they?
you have to know for yourself.
christianity isnt supposed to be like other religions where you do things religious
the old testament prophets and modern day christians had a relationship with God and thats the deciding factor.
you will never know which is right with all your reading of history books and online articles.
you have to taste for yourself.
 
so if Christ name is the deciding factor in mircales im led to believe that everything else about Christ is true.
 
shaker who's coming off as the arrogant one?
 
in the christian perspective
who's the witness of most events?
the devil his crew and God and his crew.
for instance the virgin birth.
that was prophesied all the way in Genesis.
the devil was there to hear it and through the ages in an attempt to throw credibility away he's had it portrayed in other false religions.
anyhow shaker you keep ignoring what I say about Christ.
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Q:
in the christian perspective
who's the witness of most events?
the devil his crew and God and his crew.
for instance the virgin birth.
that was prophesied all the way in Genesis.
the devil was there to hear it and through the ages in an attempt to throw credibility away he's had it portrayed in other false religions.
anyhow shaker you keep ignoring what I say about Christ.
 
Im NOT ignoring it, but I think you are missled somehow.
For instance: Enoch or the parables of him was once a piece of the holy book.
I got a Bible here from 1902 and it contain Apokryfene.. I later bibles they are left out! Why?
Cos someone didnt believe it no more?
Did they feel it in their hearts then...
NO its because it contradict some of the other texts...
And to say that reading books and online sites is a waste! WTF?
Isnt bible just a f***ing book?
No start reading and believe what you will find even tho it may hurt some places...
 
 
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Shaker, arguing with Evangelical Christians is a waste of your time. Nothing will change their mind. No free will, no thinking outside the box, nothing.

It's not a waste of their time though. If they get you to believe their perspective, sh!t man, that's another Christian conversion right there!

This thread will keep on going and going like the Energizer bunny till all we "non-believers" just pipe down and go away. Intelligent design FTW!!   
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by F.u.k-shaker

He wrote: so you saying all the accounts of demons being cast out, miracles and the like are all falsified?
every single incident?
I answered:
Why or where did I write that?
My point here is that any given Beliefsystem is based upon the same events. And WHY is the Christian one the RIGHT one?
When you answer that in a good way, and then tell me what Christianity do, that stands out from the others.
I take it you have read a little and know there are hundreds of older texts that speaks of the same events.. That is NOT a fantasy!
I get so frustrated by people who just flat out are ignorant and dont read history open minded.
If a christian told you the earth was flat! Would you believe it?


in Jesus and Muhamid there's clearly differences.
Yes I know. My point was that both claim to feel it in the heart:-)
So whos right then..
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Actually I take that "Intelligent Design FTW!" statement back.
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Q:
in the christian perspective
who's the witness of most events?
the devil his crew and God and his crew.
for instance the virgin birth.
that was prophesied all the way in Genesis.
the devil was there to hear it and through the ages in an attempt to throw credibility away he's had it portrayed in other false religions.
anyhow shaker you keep ignoring what I say about Christ.
 
Im NOT ignoring it, but I think you are missled somehow.
For instance: Enoch or the parables of him was once a piece of the holy book.
I got a Bible here from 1902 and it contain Apokryfene.. I later bibles they are left out! Why?
Cos someone didnt believe it no more?
Did they feel it in their hearts then...
NO its because it contradict some of the other texts...
And to say that reading books and online sites is a waste! WTF?
Isnt bible just a f***ing book?
No start reading and believe what you will find even tho it may hurt some places...
 
 
the book of enoch ive read but the numbers are screwed up...
otherwise people were as tall as skysc****rs.
 
basically your basing youe entire life on other people's research.
no matter what book or article you read it is someone else's research.
and the Bible can be looked at it like that
but the difference is you can actually apply the Bible to your life and watch it work.
 
to think i havent researched other religions is arrogant and ignorant on your part.
as i posted to have doing that a while back
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