Powerups in duel

Seeing there still seems to be some confusion about using uDamage/Berserk/Invisibility/Invincibility/Darkwalker/Redeemer in duel I decided to make a new thread about it instead of discussing it in other topics.

In duel 2 players face off against eachother in a map with weaponsrespawn on. In order to gain an advantage over eachother good duellers will spawnkill and time the armor and possibly weapons on the map. Why not the powerups? I'll try to explain using the uDamage as that's the one present on most maps.

If you grab a udamage you will have double damage for a duration of 30 seconds, and you can grab it every 89.5 seconds. If one combines this with the sniper or a well aimed stinger this can add up to a ma**ive ammount of damage, a single sniper shot will do as much as a regular headshot (140). Now if one combines this with a good dueller, say i2ic0chet, you will end up getting spawnkilled 7+ times in 30 seconds. Why? Because all he has to do is hit 1 shot against an enemy with quite likely less than 140 health. Besides that the uDamage doesn't run out until the next shieldbelt spawns, which means he automatically gains control over that as well.
Now if you prefer winning over losing you will try to avoid i2ic0chet for those 30 seconds, often by hiding in corners and running. This means you've stopped the entire duel for a simple cat and mouse game.

• The invisibility can be used similar as the offensive player will be much harder to hit, and even then he probably has more armor as well.
• The berserk shouldn't really need explanation.. It's simple another help in spamming and will mean about the same if the enemy combines it with flak or such.
• The invincibility is the same as the invisibility, only now you're completely invulnerable.
• A duel with a darkwalker shouldn't be too hard to explain.. So I'll use an example; On the xbox there were mode-individual ladders. On the duel ladder there was this guy who only ever played Heatray and just got in the darkwalker - he was ranked top 100. The game started out easy enough with me gaining the lead until I noticed he got in the darkwalker, the last 7 minutes of the game were spent with me running about the map with my lead and shooting rockets at the darkwalker from different directions to eventually destroy it. This is not duel..
• The redeemer is only a single but certain frag, this means all other map control is pointless: Just hide for the first minutes while the other player gets the belt, and then frag him with the redeemer after it spawns after the first 2 minutes.
  

If you have any questions by any means, please post them. I'll try to update the first post as I think of more things or people posting.

And finally I would like to add that players who don't know anything about something (such as about duel) they shouldn't try to comment about it too outspokenly.

"TAKE IT!" - DemoGuy

I believe the game also removes the shield belt with that mutator active, and that's actually the main item to control.

Just made this thread for future reference, I've also seen people actually wonder about it

Maps with a shield belt = maps with UD.

Originally posted by Drokun Maps with flag in vCTF = maps with tank.

Worst response ever...

Sandstorm and Necropolis. Also this has nothing to do with vctf.

What UT3 PS3 Needs is UTComp :) It Removes the Redeemer and Udamage and replaces it with a rocket luncher or some other weapon :S would be cool to have it so i can change the color of the enimies skins to Neon green so i can see u Fu,Kers :P LOOOL

Nice explanation Drokun. The Shield belt is what keeps the action fast paced in a duel. Without, you're left with two players who do nothing but camp for points because there's no need for map control. And to everyone else inquiring about duel ethics, this isn't something that we just made up. These rules have been used in this installment of ut, and other FPS games that came out before this one.

According to the UT3 strategy guide ....

In the general overview of Duel it says ....."Power-ups are often disabled in this mode as well, so check what settings you're playing with before you plan your routes and decide what area of the map to control"....       BUT for each map there are different sections depending on if you are playing duel, dm, or tdm and when discussing duel it says it is critical to control the udamage, berzerk, etc.

Getting map control is part of the skill :P
Just not the fragging part.

The only people who use the powerups anyway are people who are either new to the mode, messing around or trying to piss someone off anyway, as they get what it means. Therefore even if they do use those items, they usually still lose.
I just made a thread for people who want to get a bit of understanding on it.

Competitive play is one thing. Why whine about it in public servers?

Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy This is the most tiring topic to date. If you still don't get why the AMP and BZRK are not allowed in competitive duel then you are beyond ignorant. There is nothing i can say that will finally cram this concept into your dense skulls.   Also, just because EPIC has it on the map does not mean they are the authority on competitive play. These rules were decided upon by the best players around the world and no one is better than them at exploiting every aspect of the game. If anyone makes the duel rules, it should be them. They know better than anyone else what is balanced and what is not.

well none of u are the authority of competitive play either! sound like a bunch of whiny ol crack headz!