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    Posted: 23 Feb 2011 at 4:14pm
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I'm not bringing up old beef with syzygy lol. Don't know why you would think that
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What do you people think about the multiverse theory?
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Completely plausible even though quite hard to prove (actually impossible).
 
If we accept the fact that an universe includes several galaxies, why the idea of a multiverse composed by several universes would be so unbelievable ?
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Multiverse is actually a good way to explain many things that happen on earth!
Time is like a river that flows. If it stops at a certain point, it will find new ways flow... So therfos time can co exist..
I wouldnt be surprised if some of our gods is "us" in another branch of time... Some persons in the bible were glowing after beeing in a certain light!!
@ Trin: Check out the freemason and the number 33--->miners and capsule---->Poenix the city! Do you think thats a coincident?
Im not arguing with you, but want ur view on it;-)
 
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You find number patterns everywhere, patterns in general Shaker.
Can you explain your view on the meaning of it ?
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Multiverse is actually a good way to explain many things that happen on earth!
Time is like a river that flows. If it stops at a certain point, it will find new ways flow... So therfos time can co exist..

I wouldnt be surprised if some of our gods is "us" in another branch of time... Some persons in the bible were glowing after beeing in a certain light!!

@ Trin: Check out the freemason and the number 33--->miners and capsule---->Poenix the city! Do you think thats a coincident?

Im not arguing with you, but want ur view on it;-)

 


Time doesnt flow like a river, it's actually composed of layers so that all time happens simultaneously.

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Our universe is composed of way more than several galaxies. Look at the Hubble deep field pictures. Im not talking about a limited amount of universes but an infinite amount.


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super stars die when there energy can't overcome gravity, and then gravity compresses whats left, and produces giant black holes which eventually haft to release the energy thats produced, and increased by the extreme pressure. because eventually the energy will be to much for the gravity.

what is gravity acually? what can effect or change gravity? can gravity even really be effected or changed? gravity seems to be everywhere?

whether its the big bang theory, or the multi universe theory gravity plays a major part. that much is obvious.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

thinks/reasons? how can so many people be so nieve? let me assure you of this Trinity. i think and reason on a scale that you just don't understand. genius means ignorant to me! im sure you wont even know what i mean by that, but you can give it a try if you like?

more importantly.. people better look around the world and see whats acually happening. last second saves may or may not be possible? atleast im trying though!!!
How is saying that I like it when people (in this case Tuna) question something in which i hold true remotely naive? Are you a little bit touchy because i didn't say nice things about the things you said? For the record, I've no desire to challenge your self-proclaimed wisdom. And the mere declaration that "you think/reason on a scale that you just don't understand" would that be a scale greater than mine or just different to mine? As to the rest I won't even try to interpret what's going on inside your head (that's your task). Suffice to say if you take a little more care with your grammar at least understanding you may or may not be possible!! 
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The nearest scriptures we have according to the world of science is the dead sea scrolls...and yes Jesus is NOT mentioned. I guess that is puzzling given that he would have been a subject of much debate at the time. However the Essenes (people who made the scrolls) were isolated in the wilderness, cut off from society because were a sect.
The New Testament gospels were completed some 150 years after Jesus's time. Yes Jesus DID exist, and he was a remarkable, extraordinary being. Whether he was the Son of God/Spirit of God in human form or whatever is something worth debating. Whether he wrote or not is irrelevant. He didn't leave his thoughts/teachings in writing but that doesn't make any difference because people will still interpret words and make sense of them (or not) for their own needs. Some people believe that William Shakespeare was not the originator of his plays or that he didn't even write them. But it doesn't seem to have devalued the words/sentiments in the plays that have influenced cultures for generations.
Belief is down to the individual, its about conviction NOT evidence. There are some points in your life you will be required to place your trust in others, if you require proof/hard evidence/ a guarantee then no real trust will exist. But if concrete proof is the only way you measure the world in which you inhabit then it'll be a frustrating existence.
Tuna you are right to question and disagree. I actually prefer someone who thinks/reasons because my understanding will be greater once I have an answer. But and Syz are digging up old beef which doesn't help out either side. 
You can't just look at the extreme and take it as a point. It's not about always requiring hard proof or always placing trust in others.
It's merely about following your mind. What seems most possible ? What makes most sense to you ? And in some cases (imo many): do you choose to believe in what seems more comforting ?
Dagon i'm not talking about extreme situations. There are plenty of ordinary events where believing someone without challenging them to prove it is needed. It is the fundamental differences between those who have faith and those who are atheists. 
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The big bang theory can be applied to the multiverse theory too.. When stuff goes into a black hole it condenses to a single point and once enough goes into a black hole then (just theorizing) a big bang might occur creating a new universe within a black hole. We know that super massive black holes go through feeding frenzies and we're not sure why. Time would act differently inside a black hole so for all we know when a black hole lays dormant for let's say 100,000 years then an entire universe could have existed in that time period. Not all universes would be able to sustain life such as our own. Some may have too much gravity and some may have too much dark matter either making it impossible for galaxies to form or having different laws of physics altogether. Even though our universe may seem special in this sense one should not forget that with this many possibilities there would be an infinite amount of big bangs resulting in an infinite amount of universes such as this one. If this theory is correct then you will exist again living the same exact life and making the same exact decisions and reading this same exact post eventually. Pretty cool to think about. There are other theories that are just as cool but I won't post my views unless they are brought up. I could have typed up a more detailed post but I'm on my iPhone..
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

thinks/reasons? how can so many people be so nieve? let me assure you of this Trinity. i think and reason on a scale that you just don't understand. genius means ignorant to me! im sure you wont even know what i mean by that, but you can give it a try if you like? more importantly.. people better look around the world and see whats acually happening. last second saves may or may not be possible? atleast im trying though!!!
How is saying that I like it when people (in this case Tuna) question something in which i hold true remotely naive? Are you a little bit touchy because i didn't say nice things about the things you said? For the record, I've no desire to challenge your self-proclaimed wisdom. And the mere declaration that "you think/reason on a scale that you just don't understand" would that be a scale greater than mine or just different to mine? As to the rest I won't even try to interpret what's going on inside your head (that's your task). Suffice to say if you take a little more care with your grammar at least understanding you may or may not be possible!! 


you chose to add me to your post.. i just responded.. now the grammer again? sad really
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@syzygy The big bang theory can be applied to the multiverse theory too.. When stuff goes into a black hole it condenses to a single point and once enough goes into a black hole then (just theorizing) a big bang might occur creating a new universe within a black hole. We know that super massive black holes go through feeding frenzies and we're not sure why. Time would act differently inside a black hole so for all we know when a black hole lays dormant for let's say 100,000 years then an entire universe could have existed in that time period. Not all universes would be able to sustain life such as our own. Some may have too much gravity and some may have too much dark matter either making it impossible for galaxies to form or having different laws of physics altogether. Even though our universe may seem special in this sense one should not forget that with this many possibilities there would be an infinite amount of big bangs resulting in an infinite amount of universes such as this one. If this theory is correct then you will exist again living the same exact life and making the same exact decisions and reading this same exact post eventually. Pretty cool to think about. There are other theories that are just as cool but I won't post my views unless they are brought up. I could have typed up a more detailed post but I'm on my iPhone..


im fimiliar with the different theory's Tuna.. im suggesting that science needs to re-examine gravity.. what causes a black hole? gravity.. what feeds a black hole? gravity

in dec 2012 the earth, the sun and the giant black hole at the center of our universe will align.. the myan calendar ends at that point for some reason? i find that to be extremely interesting

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Ha they have no reason to re-examine gravity.Not sure what youre saying.
That happens every year, syzygy. They fail to mention that one though
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc


I'm fimiliar with the different theory's Tuna.. im suggesting that science needs to re-examine gravity.. what causes a black hole? gravity.. what feeds a black hole? gravity in dec 2012 the earth, the sun and the giant black hole at the center of our universe will align.. the myan calendar ends at that point for some reason? i find that to be extremely interesting




As an aside, an infinite curvature of spacetime causes a black hole, a literal break down of our understanding of the cosmos. Anything can be turned into a black whole: this computer, your computer, your country. The mass just needs to be compressed below the Schwarzschild radius. For the earth, it is about the size of a sugar cube. And, all information within the even horizon is lost to our universe   

Models of relativistic gravity are very accurate and need not be reevaluated.
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I'm fimiliar with the different theory's Tuna.. im suggesting that science needs to re-examine gravity.. what causes a black hole? gravity.. what feeds a black hole? gravity in dec 2012 the earth, the sun and the giant black hole at the center of our universe will align.. the myan calendar ends at that point for some reason? i find that to be extremely interesting




As an aside, an infinite curvature of spacetime causes a black hole, a literal break down of our understanding of the cosmos. Anything can be turned into a black whole: this computer, your computer, your country. The mass just needs to be compressed below the Schwarzschild radius. For the earth, it is about the size of a sugar cube. And, all information within the even horizon is lost to our universe   

Models of relativistic gravity are very accurate and need not be reevaluated.
 
well syzygygy that alignment does happen, you are right, however, what 2012 theorists do not tell you is that that alignment happens EVERY YEAR - Neil Degrasse Tyson


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you guys don't realise that he's being misleading lol thats whats hillarious.. im not going to explain how either :)

gravity don't need to be reevaluated? i think it does, and i think it may be the key

Han Fei what can compress something enough to created a black hole? name a senond thing that can do it
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They don't need to reevaluate gravity
I bet magnetism is going to be what physicists start getting into soon.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

you guys don't realise that he's being misleading lol thats whats hillarious.. im not going to explain how either :) gravity don't need to be reevaluated? i think it does, and i think it may be the key Han Fei what can compress something enough to created a black hole? name a senond thing that can do it

Tyson has no reason to mislead.

A dying star roughly two times the mass of our sun, centers of galaxies, etcetera.
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I once saw in tv another Tyson, I think it was Mike, manipulating gravity:
he touched another guy with his hand and made his eyelids turn into a  very, very heavy matter. Suddenly earth's gravity pulled this guy on the canvas. Later he told that he felt like he was falling into a black hole Wacko
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giant black holes which eventually haft to release the energy thats produced, 
Black holes constantly emit heat, so they always release the energy that's produced.
 
Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

in dec 2012 the earth, the sun and the giant black hole at the center of our universe will align.. the myan calendar ends at that point for some reason? i find that to be extremely interesting

The mayan calendar does NOT end at that point ! December 21 2012, a long cycle within the mayan calendar ends, a new one begins. Kind of like a year ends for us, a new one begins, only it's a longer period that's close to 400 years.
It's not the only cycle within the calendar, it's also not the longest cycle.
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what can compress something enough to created a black hole? name a senond thing that can do it
A sun double the size of our sun as HanFei said. Or a hydrogen bomb using all of the earths water. ;D
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

you guys don't realise that he's being misleading lol thats whats hillarious.. im not going to explain how either :) gravity don't need to be reevaluated? i think it does, and i think it may be the key Han Fei what can compress something enough to created a black hole? name a senond thing that can do it

Tyson has no reason to mislead.

A dying star roughly two times the mass of our sun, centers of galaxies, etcetera.
http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/BlackHoleFormation.html

 
The man is the most reknown astrophysicists we have living on earth, Han Fei is correct, everything he lecures about is based on fact, you should watch the portion of hypothesis on alien life and the 1% percent theory it is shocking and brilliant.


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Multiverse is actually a good way to explain many things that happen on earth!
Time is like a river that flows. If it stops at a certain point, it will find new ways flow... So therfos time can co exist..

I wouldnt be surprised if some of our gods is "us" in another branch of time... Some persons in the bible were glowing after beeing in a certain light!!

@ Trin: Check out the freemason and the number 33--->miners and capsule---->Poenix the city! Do you think thats a coincident?

Im not arguing with you, but want ur view on it;-)

 


Time doesnt flow like a river, it's actually composed of layers so that all time happens simultaneously.

@Val
Our universe is composed of way more than several galaxies. Look at the Hubble deep field pictures. Im not talking about a limited amount of universes but an infinite amount.


Remeber that time is man made Fishyboy;-) So i terms of layers, it could be concived as branches where they act like the same! But are not.
Max Planck has some mind blowing ideas about time...
 
@Bucket:
Do your own research on numbers and not only numbers.. The symbolic value in most of beliefsystem is created by false prophets. Why? Because the texts is made to start wars and contradictory views.
Holy geometry for instance is based on old wisdom. Check out freemason logo. Carpenter square and a passer! Basicaly what one need to make holy geometry.
Ark of the covenant: The high priests who entered had a cape witch is copied by todays priests. If one did not wear the cape, it would be fatal... So therefore its a machine of some sort, NOT a holy shrine or whatever. Did I hear somebody shout radio active??
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Time in the sense we know of is man made such as minutes and hours but time itself isn't man made. Time being stacked in layers makes the most sense and I'm not the one who came up with that, Einstein did
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