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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?
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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?
anyone can be saved.
but like 2 cor 5:17
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when you become born again you receieve a new spirit. and in God's eyes become righteous due to Christ. (ties in with above verse)
 
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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?


Believing in Jesus and that Jesus is your only chance of salvation is Christianaty. so If someone doesn't believe either then how can they be saved? Acording to Jesus they can't. You either except Jesus as your savior and try to be become ritious or you wont reach Heavan.

Hell is the devils domain. The devil wants all souls, and only GOD can save you from the devil. If your not even willing to believe in GOD? why would GOD bother to save you? Makes perfect since to me.

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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?


Believing in Jesus and that Jesus is your only chance of salvation is Christianaty. so If someone doesn't believe either then how can they be saved? Acording to Jesus they can't. You either except Jesus as your savior and try to be become ritious or you wont reach Heavan.

Hell is the devils domain. The devil wants all souls, and only GOD can save you from the devil. If your not even willing to believe in GOD? why would GOD bother to save you? Makes perfect since to me.


It makes sense to me too, even the atheists must see this as plausible, but at the end of the day you don't know until it's happened

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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?
Believing in Jesus and that Jesus is your only chance of salvation is Christianaty. so If someone doesn't believe either then how can they be saved? Acording to Jesus they can't. You either except Jesus as your savior and try to be become ritious or you wont reach Heavan. Hell is the devils domain. The devil wants all souls, and only GOD can save you from the devil. If your not even willing to believe in GOD? why would GOD bother to save you? Makes perfect since to me.
It makes sense to me too, even the atheists must see this as plausible, but at the end of the day you don't know until it's happened


i have recieved the holy spirit but it didn't make me ritious like Phantaci is saying imo? It was amazing though! The best thing ive ever felt! and no! drugs weren't involved before you try to say it lol   
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just a question. when people talk about god "saving" them, saving them from what exactly? 
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just a question. when people talk about god "saving" them, saving them from what exactly? 
Hell? and i know sizzle will probably love this term for it sooo ETERNAL DAMNATION :D

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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?
anyone can be saved.
but like 2 cor 5:17
says theres a difference.
when you become born again you receieve a new spirit. and in God's eyes become righteous due to Christ. (ties in with above verse)
 

So when your spirit has been reborn through accepting Christ, won't this reborn soul be defiled again? I guess they'll just be included in the package as well? As he died for our sins then, old ones as well as new
I guess this answers my question, after reading some more of that 2 cor 5
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

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btw that was a serious question before, why can only Christian's souls be saved?


Believing in Jesus and that Jesus is your only chance of salvation is Christianaty. so If someone doesn't believe either then how can they be saved? Acording to Jesus they can't. You either except Jesus as your savior and try to be become ritious or you wont reach Heavan.

Hell is the devils domain. The devil wants all souls, and only GOD can save you from the devil. If your not even willing to believe in GOD? why would GOD bother to save you? Makes perfect since to me.


It makes sense to me too, even the atheists must see this as plausible, but at the end of the day you don't know until it's happened

From what I read God has love for all humans and God is almighty - yet he cannot overlook evil
And all humans easily pale in comparison to his perfection

But if he is perfect he wouldn't get petty over the humans' conviction I'd think? there has to be a better reason than that
Phantaci's response directing me to the passage made more sense imo
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yeah in christianity. Your a spirit that has a soul and lives in a body.
so Christ died for all sins thes ones you vommit will commit or already did.
1st john 1:9
and luci, mostly saving people from deadly habits or lifestyles and ultimately hell.
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trying to understand God with your minds it's useless... that's a knowledge which must come from the heart; u don't find it in books neither at church: u'll find it in yourself the day u're gonna look for it
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Originally posted by DEMON_ON_SLAUGHT

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just a question. when people talk about god "saving" them, saving them from what exactly? 
Hell? and i know sizzle will probably love this term for it sooo ETERNAL DAMNATION :D

hell - hmm... a place full of chains, whips, scantily clad men and various "torture" devices for all of eternity.. i can't be the only one out their who it thinks it sounds like the coolest club in town! 
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Originally posted by Fatal1st

just a question. when people talk about god "saving" them, saving them from what exactly? 


The bible is worth reading even if you choose not to believe any of it. Its still a great book either way. Your question is a good one but the answer would cover so many things. Until you truly have Jesus in your life you can't really know what your missing so some of the answer would have be saving you from living life without Jesus.

The after death parts of the answer is a lot more complicated if you try to answer it properly. Im acually weary of giving you a quick answer because its a very important answer.
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no luci the lake of fire is nothing of that sort.
which is the finale.
it's just weeping and gnashin of teeth.
the smoke is forever the fire burns forever yet the people are not consumed. No one is torturing anybody if your there you suffer just as much as satan
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no luci the lake of fire is nothing of that sort.which is the finale.it's just weeping and gnashin of teeth.the smoke is forever the fire burns forever yet the people are not consumed. No one is torturing anybody if your there you suffer just as much as satan


bible schollars disagree on hell though? Some claim there is no real hell. Ive seen so many programs on it that it aint even funny :)
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Yo Siz you know my screen name is "Dagon" right ?
 
And I don't think religion is an ignorant belief.
I think every "belief" is either ignorant, because in the end it all doesn't add up, if you believe in god or not, or imo no belief is really ignorant, because "the gift" of understanding the universe was just not given to us, and we can do nothing about it, we have to accept it and that we do.
 
I think many people act ignorant. ;D More often religious people, who know nothing about their own faith (example: paw and his highly stupid topic about the people who speak gibberish, who "speak in tongues").


well i guess i spelled your screen name wrong even though its in the top left corner i don't worry too much about spelling or grammer because i use my ps3 to post if you must know.

trust me i never lost a single spelling contest in school it has been a while since ive wrote anything until i got on this site though. you know working since i was 15 and all

i was also great at math but my math teacher hated me so he failed me even though i got 100% on every test! and thats a fact! i didn't get to play football because mother wouldn't sign for me to play because she thought i might get hurt lol the next school year on the first day that math teacher used the whole math period to belittle me to the class until i got up and told him id kick his ass if he didn't stfu, he told me to go to the deans office and i told him to suck my big ass **** and i never went back, I just went to work. I never did 1 single thing to that math teacher before that and i never disrupted class even once! I loved math. He must of just been a jellous Pri'ck because math came so easy to me.

the ONLY reason im telling you this is so you can maybe drop the lame ass ignorant comments. Grammer is just memorization! there's not anything smart involved in it! Spelling is memorization there's not anything smart involved it either! but If you really want to think religion is lame and religious people are all ignorant? you go right ahead genius
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

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no luci the lake of fire is nothing of that sort.which is the finale.it's just weeping and gnashin of teeth.the smoke is forever the fire burns forever yet the people are not consumed. No one is torturing anybody if your there you suffer just as much as satan


bible schollars disagree on hell though? Some claim there is no real hell. Ive seen so many programs on it that it aint even funny :)
theres hades and then theres the lake of fire.
hades(the greek word the part where the rich man was and saw lazarus in abraham's bosom) is where an atheist would go if they died today.
after the great white throne judgement they would be cast into the lake of fire.
hell is bad enough, but the lake of fire ? thats a whole other place.
 
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no luci the lake of fire is nothing of that sort.which is the finale.it's just weeping and gnashin of teeth.the smoke is forever the fire burns forever yet the people are not consumed. No one is torturing anybody if your there you suffer just as much as satan
bible schollars disagree on hell though? Some claim there is no real hell. Ive seen so many programs on it that it aint even funny :)
theres hades and then theres the lake of fire.
hades(the greek word the part where the rich man was and saw lazarus in abraham's bosom) is where an atheist would go if they died today.
after the great white throne judgement they would be cast into the lake of fire.
hell is bad enough, but the lake of fire ? thats a whole other place.
 


well it wouldn't take very much misery when your talking about for all eternity. the for all eternity part is the scary part :)
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talked for like 45 minutes with a guy at my work who goes to "bible college" and another guy at my work who is a minister about Christianity. it was a complete joke.. they said the same exact things that you f***ers say. "science is nothing but theories" "no way someone can understand God's creations" "the earth is too perfect for it to be created by the BIG BANG".. i mean seriously people, do your own research..... i don't feel like educating every single person i have a debate with. if you are going to trash something, atleast understand it first. they were even talking **** about EVOLUTION.. i thought they gave up that bull **** long ago.. don't worry, i was extremely respectful because i know how sensitive Christians are when it comes to their religion, i just think it's funny that they aren't respectful to other peoples religions or to science. i could have f***ed that guy's whole world up if i wanted too, but i have to work with him lol. i could have made him a non believer but i chose not to.. you guys try doing it too

sorry for my rant, but it's really annoying. you people need to be more open minded, don't be scared to not believe in God because you can always start believing again the older you getl.. isn't that right syzygy?

there is no such thing as heaven or hell btw.. f***ing dumb as ****
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talked for like 45 minutes with a guy at my work who goes to "bible college" and another guy at my work who is a minister about Christianity. it was a complete joke.. they said the same exact things that you f***ers say. "science is nothing but theories" "no way someone can understand God's creations" "the earth is too perfect for it to be created by the BIG BANG".. i mean seriously people, do your own research..... i don't feel like educating every single person i have a debate with. if you are going to trash something, atleast understand it first. they were even talking **** about EVOLUTION.. i thought they gave up that bull **** long ago.. don't worry, i was extremely respectful because i know how sensitive Christians are when it comes to their religion, i just think it's funny that they aren't respectful to other peoples religions or to science. i could have f***ed that guy's whole world up if i wanted too, but i have to work with him lol. i could have made him a non believer but i chose not too.. you guys try doing it toosorry for my rant, but it's really annoying. you people need to be more open minded, don't be scared to not believe in God because you can always start believing again the older you getl.. isn't that right syzygy? there is no such thing as heaven or hell btw.. f***ing dumb as ****


Well i guess we should just all believe whatever you say then? You are very convincing! I mean youve completely convinced me that your the single most ignorant clown that ive ever heard of!

4 real though, nice try but your petty clown sh1t wont work here just another clown that aint funny.
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"the earth is too perfect for it to be created by the BIG BANG"

it only tries to kill us every chance it gets with earthquakes, tsunamis etc :o
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i wasn't trying to be funny and stop saying clown over and over again because we all know that you are copying pawweezy

syzygy, if you had a 15 minute conversation with me in real life you would be blown away. you take the internet too seriously.. take a step back, breathe, and go back to jacking off.
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"the earth is too perfect for it to be created by the BIG BANG"

it only tries to kill us every chance it gets with earthquakes, tsunamis etc :o

LMAO i said something similar and he corrected himself.. he was basically talking about how everything lives off each other in some form or another.. like honey bees pollinating plants, ants and decomposition, etc.
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i wasn't trying to be funny and stop saying clown over and over again because we all know that you are copying pawweezysyzygy, if you had a 15 minute conversation with me in real life you would be blown away. you take the internet too seriously.. take a step back, breathe, and go back to jacking off.


Clown and scrub are my words not Weezy's you say i would be blown away? lmao thats hillarious

I take the internet to serious? you really never know what your talking about do ya?

you hop in a thread try to be contraversial and end up just looking like another clown

no big deal though.
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you are the one who looks like a clown. read my posts and then read yours.. i would be embarrassed if i were you. no one likes you and almost every single one of your posts end up insulting someone
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