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    Posted: 21 Sep 2010 at 7:58pm
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I don't believe [we're] slaves to GOD or religion no more then where slaves to our own parents! what GOD would create all the amazing things in life and then enslave us in within them?
As an aside, the Bible condones slavery and finds beating morally permissible, as long as the slave survives a day or two. Wa? Exodus 21:20-21 http://bible.cc/exodus/21-20.htm
you really need to stop using the old testament as grounds for your arguements.
they stoned people for adultery back then.
in christianity we would never do that. Whats your point?
Galatians 3:28
 
 the law has no place in christianity as for one no man can keep the whole law.
so if you care you can read Romans 3:20
 
and sizzle thats a dangerous way to look at it
2nd Timothy 3:16
 
 
i don't see it as dangerous at all. im human and if GOD doesn't forgive us for living as humans were all already forsaken!so what would be the point in being religious? i have forgivness so why would i think that GOD doesn't?there's a difference between choosing to live life, and choosing to be a bad person.
im not saying be perfect but i am saying this
john 14:15
then john 15:13
 
if you can do that you'd be darn near perfect


if GOD wanted me to be perfect? im sure he would have created me to be perfect! but then id be more like a robot then a human.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by Blackfang

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by Blackfang

Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

I don't believe [we're] slaves to GOD or religion no more then where slaves to our own parents! what GOD would create all the amazing things in life and then enslave us in within them?
As an aside, the Bible condones slavery and finds beating morally permissible, as long as the slave survives a day or two. Wa? Exodus 21:20-21 http://bible.cc/exodus/21-20.htm
you really need to stop using the old testament as grounds for your arguements.
they stoned people for adultery back then.
in christianity we would never do that. Whats your point?
Galatians 3:28
 
 the law has no place in christianity as for one no man can keep the whole law.
so if you care you can read Romans 3:20
 
and sizzle thats a dangerous way to look at it
2nd Timothy 3:16
 
 
i don't see it as dangerous at all. im human and if GOD doesn't forgive us for living as humans were all already forsaken!so what would be the point in being religious? i have forgivness so why would i think that GOD doesn't?there's a difference between choosing to live life, and choosing to be a bad person.
im not saying be perfect but i am saying this
john 14:15
then john 15:13
 
if you can do that you'd be darn near perfect


if GOD wanted me to be perfect? im sure he would have created me to be perfect! but then id be more like a robot then a human.
thats not what im saying
read the verses if you like
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you already know that even if i read certain verses i'll still make up my own mind xD

im a good person so i don't worry too much about what my fate will be. but if i am to be condemed for some reason? im sure it would be for something in my past and not in my future.
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If you love me, you will obey what I command
John 14:15
 
John 15:17
This is my command: Love each other.
 
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21
 
finally we understand that Christ spoke what God led Him to say.
So God's will is for you to accept Christ as Lord and if He's truly Lord then you will do what He says.
The only commandment that Christian needs to know is "love".
Love the Lord thy God....
and then of course love your neighbor as yourself.
If you love your neighbor as yourself you wont murder,envy, hate, or lie to Him.
The latter can only be done if you have a love for number 1.
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well that tells me im in pretty in good shape then xD although i don't know what GOD commands of me? except for the 10 commandments ofcourse.
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commands that you love Him with all your heart and to love your neighbor

the law is summed up in love.
if you love you dont need to know the ten commandments.
i dont even have them memorized.
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you can love and still break any of the ten commandments though xD drink a case of beer and its all good atm lol
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if you love God with all your heart, you aren't going to do that.
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Damn, Phantaci may not be very good at UT3, but dude can preach!!!   :o
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Originally posted by puertoRICAN

Damn, Phantaci may not be very good at UT3, but dude can preach!!!   :o
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lol rican i laughed when i read that.
i've been listening to and reading the works of some the best bible teachers alive or dead.
and im currently not even in college lol im in a school of ministry.
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Originally posted by Blackfang

if you love God with all your heart, you aren't going to do that.


like ive said, im only human xD we all look out for our own interests for the most part. anyone who'd claim to be totally selfless is either without self awareness or honesty!
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Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new. 2cor 5:17
 
when i say perfect most translations also will say spiritually mature.
you can get to the point where u do the right thing 9.9/10 times.
its like what i always tells my friend.
he uses "well jeremy God knows imma do it anyway"
thats selling yourself short.
God will honor the person who seeks and does his best to follow his commands much more then the person who uses imperfection as an excuse to not even try.
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on this site ive created a persona thats far removed from my real self xD i never argue! i rarely curse! i always try to do the right thing! in game and on this site ive let my hair down a little so to speak. lol but you don't stay married as long as ive been married without being a pretty good guy _-) especially with the devorce rate being what it is xD

and i don't believe GOD showed me he exists just to mock me. but you never know? xD

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Damn, Phantaci may not be very good at UT3, but dude can preach!!!   :o
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you athiests began the insulting!


thats a very generalised remark, i recall a few atheists here who haven't insulted, might wanna restate that (just a suggestion)
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Why are ants here? What purpose do ants have? Is there a heaven for ants.
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you athiests began the insulting!
thats a very generalised remark, i recall a few atheists here who haven't insulted, might wanna restate that (just a suggestion)
I'm not an atheist persay, however I think believing in something with no proof is idiotic and needs mockery. Some are cool with it, some are not, oh well.
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Why are ants here? What purpose do ants have? Is there a heaven for ants.
 
Really good question imho.  Altough it maybe was a retorical one i'll  answer cuz nothing better to do at the moment Smile
 
In biological sense, ants are decomposers of some kind, munching down organic matter and keeping things clean of dead bugs and things like that. They are also food for many species. I mean, it would be really nasty to be an ant-eater if there were no ants Ouch
 
 
According to my very small amount of knowledge of christianity (if you meant heaven  in christian context), animals won't go to heaven because they don't have a soul. They only have body and spirit. I believe it's stated in the book of Moses that animals are something for people to rule over and to eat. Anyone bible reading person can correct that one if i'm wrong.
 
In context of Islam I don't know the answer because I don't know Islam at all. Maybe somebody who knows can answer to this.
 
In context on hinduism, there is "heaven" for all species, even ants, because according to hinduism everything is part of god - even non living matters are part of  godhead and constituting of "sleeping souls", souls that are in a state of deep ignorance. So if you are an ant, be a hindu ant LOL
 
According to buddhism, every living being has got a buddha nature which means that there is a potentiality for enlightement for even an ant. So if you are an ant that doesn't believe in god, you might want to be a buddhist ant Sleepy
 
In atheist way of thinking, heaven is something that you'll see when you go outside and look up.
 
Now, those were matters of believing and I think only ants who have passed away really knows the answer.
 
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Just catching up on this thread over coffee this morning.  I laughed out loud at the approach taken by many here.  I feel like I'm between maps in a FPS game most of the time.  We all know what happens there...

Defending ones position is difficult.  I can tell you this with absolute certainty; if you fail to have a deep understanding of both sides of an issue and you are not prepared to defend your position on a subject in a way that is kind, compelling and meaningful, then you would do well to keep your mouth shut.

The thread title says "Religion and Politics".  God forbid the two should ever meet...


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I know nothing of politics an want to know nothing. I'll stay ignorant of that subject.
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LOL - good call.  I wish I had never started looking at politics.  It's a filthy mess-
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i saw a program a while ago about the 10 commandments, and whether or not they are truly followed by today's society.  simple answer is no.

the main one we all break is the Lord's name in vain (especially on UT3).  most of us don't go to mass on Sunday's, even though the sabbath is meant to be held on Saturday.  how many marriages and relationships are torn apart from cheating?  murder in the streets.   stealing.  disrespect to parents when parents abuse their children.  it all seems so useless to follow rules literally set in stone.
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you athiests began the insulting!
thats a very generalised remark, i recall a few atheists here who haven't insulted, might wanna restate that (just a suggestion)


i believe i was correct since the ones that ive seen post that there athiests have all thew out insults.
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Just catching up on this thread over coffee this morning.  I laughed out loud at the approach taken by many here.  I feel like I'm between maps in a FPS game most of the time.  We all know what happens there...
Defending ones position is difficult.  I can tell you this with absolute certainty; if you fail to have a deep understanding of both sides of an issue and you are not prepared to defend your position on a subject in a way that is kind, compelling and meaningful, then you would do well to keep your mouth shut.
The thread title says "Religion and Politics".  God forbid the two should ever meet...


well since keeping your mouth shut leads to 0 discussion, i think saying keep your mouth shut is the 1 thing that shouldn't ever be suggested.

and its probably the biggest diss also.
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

Originally posted by Aquaknot

Just catching up on this thread over coffee this morning.  I laughed out loud at the approach taken by many here.  I feel like I'm between maps in a FPS game most of the time.  We all know what happens there...
Defending ones position is difficult.  I can tell you this with absolute certainty; if you fail to have a deep understanding of both sides of an issue and you are not prepared to defend your position on a subject in a way that is kind, compelling and meaningful, then you would do well to keep your mouth shut.
The thread title says "Religion and Politics".  God forbid the two should ever meet...


well since keeping your mouth shut leads to 0 discussion, i think saying keep your mouth shut is the 1 thing that shouldn't ever be suggested.

and its probably the biggest diss also.

I meant no disrespect.  I suppose my point could have been made more gently by saying people shouldn't debate at great length and with firey passion those things they have only a superficial knowledge of.
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