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    Posted: 21 Sep 2010 at 11:12pm
yea i know all that Aqua lol BUT Einstein realised a lot about what i call, the human condition.

i believe we create our own thought patterns to a certain degree, therefore we all have vary'ing amounts of trouble in adding our own mental realization or lack there of as being part of the problem.

i see it something like writers block. you can think and think and your thoughts still seem to be a little clouded and then, for whatever reason? it just becomes clearer. which makes me wonder weather logic or enlightenment rules the day?

and its a lot harder to convey an exact point in writing then i ever imagined it to be lol



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"God does not play dice."

-Albert Einstein

To Einstein, things had an order.  He made thi statement while expressing frustration with the randomness of Quantum Mechanics.  Which of course, is far from his well ordered view of the universe in adhering to a set group of laws.  He tried to reconcile Quantum Mechanics and Relativity until the day he died.  Today, Hawking is working on this same problem.
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“I didn't arrive at my understanding of the fundamental laws of the universe through my rational mind”

Albert Einstein

“Reality is merely an illusion albeit a very persistent one”

Albert Einstein

like i said, were all dillusional to a degree! we decieve ourselves on a regular basis.
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multiverse is the correct one...
is that with super string theory?

Yes but this has many flaws, for example, if the Verses are along each string then string theory suggest's that the strings should smash together and probabilty suggest that our verse should be going bang every like 5 mins, <--- I think so anyway, but i know there are big flaws in the multiverse theory.
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I vote 4 4  ShockedThumbs Up

This is the most logical one and the hardest one to flaw...
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I Think Therfore I am. This states some very complicated philosophical ideas that, in short, disproves 7. Look up, "i think therfore i am" and then loook up the Anthropic principle, WIKI has a very good section on it. You need to look into it in detail though... 
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Is that latin ? idk
Not of any help, never had latin in school.
 
I'm just saying it could be number 7. How would we ever know ? Of course it doesn't matter to us, cause we still live in it, even if this is all fake to us it's not.
 
Well I agree I don't think it's 7. ;)
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Originally posted by -DaGoN-

How can you rule out 7 ?

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How can you rule out 7 ?
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Originally posted by TuNA FISh

multiverse is the correct one...
is that with super string theory?
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multiverse is the correct one...
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There are Seven Arguments to the way our Verse came to be;
  1. The absurd universe
    Our universe just happens to be the way it is.
  2. The unique universe
    There is a deep underlying unity in physics which necessitates the universe being the way it is. Some theory of everything will explain why the various features of the Universe must have exactly the values that we see.
  3. The multiverse
    Multiple Universes exist, having all possible combinations of characteristics, and we inevitably find ourselves within a Universe that allows us to exist.
  4. Creationism
    A creator designed the Universe with the purpose of supporting complexity and the emergence of Intelligence.
  5. The life principle
    There is an underlying principle that constrains the universe to evolve towards life and mind.
  6. The self-explaining universe
    A closed explanatory or causal loop: "perhaps only universes with a capacity for consciousness can exist." This is wheeler's Participatory Anthropic Principle (PAP).
  7. The fake universe
    We live inside a virtual reality simulation.
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We can almost rule out 1 & 7
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by TX2k7

consider everything u see, no matter how close u are to it u are merely seeing the light reflected off that object and with that in mind, u are not truly seeing what u are observing as it exists at that very moment, u are percieving it a fraction of a second after that moment (the time the light takes to reflect off the object and be percieved by u, including the fraction of a second ur brain takes to process the information from ur eyes and send an image back) btw....nice radioactive sybol on the topic syz :D hehehe

Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past.

Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years.

For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful.
But then I could argue that im being less affected by time that you are, if we say time is relative, i can say im moving faster through time than you are therfore I WIN...

Yes, both our statements are true. If you increase velocity or gravitational strength on some object A, passage of time slows for A relative to some third party observer, B. However, for the observer in A or B, time appears to pass normally, as we are now. Yet, regaurdless of discrepancies in "the present," both A and B view events who's origins are in the past, as we covered earlier.    

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One of the greatest physicists there has ever been!

“I think i can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics”


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Science alone of all subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation...learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact. I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.

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Haha of course they are, good one. :D
 
And yeah I always thought it's a shame how I speak about religion, science, personal feelings and other complex topics in a second language and he doesn't even recognize it, instead calls me stupid, an idiot, retarded and blablabla.
 
Pure ignorance. -.-
 
Oh and sizzle your whole last post can be transfered onto religion.
I remember the church even used to claim that the planet earth is the middle of the universe ? And it's flat ? Coming from the church, yes.
thats because the church felt threatened by the new power base - scientific knowledge. They thought it was in direct contradiction of what it stood for so they persecuted them as heretics. Kinda dumb really but thats what ultimate power does for ya. maybe Galileo should of borrowed the poe his telescope so he could see for himself?
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syzygy, what you don't realize is that we know more about religion than you do... you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to physics.. you watch a couple of documentaries and you think you know the "truth"

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Haha of course they are, good one. :D
 
And yeah I always thought it's a shame how I speak about religion, science, personal feelings and other complex topics in a second language and he doesn't even recognize it, instead calls me stupid, an idiot, retarded and blablabla.
 
Pure ignorance. -.-
 
Oh and sizzle your whole last post can be transfered onto religion.
I remember the church even used to claim that the planet earth is the middle of the universe ? And it's flat ? Coming from the church, yes.
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where did you take your iq test a cracher jack box? lol its sincesless to even try to clue U in dude
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i just have a problem with the word fact being used in science. things in science are only accepeted as fact until there proven wrong! which almost always happens eventually! i could write all day on “so called” scientific facts that have been proven wrong? so “scientific facts” being proven wrong, seems to be the most constant occurance there is xD

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HanFei - does radiation have specific gravity?  I know it's measured in Rads, but does it have weight?  Is it particles or something like the mystery meat in fast food chicken nuggets - origins and composition unknown?  That's been bugging me for some time.

Edit: short answer yes, mass of photon, neutron, electron or helium nucleus. However, it is I portent to note that as things approach c, like particles being released from fission, mass decreases. I know it's counter intuitive, I may have phrased it wrong, but the principle remains. /edit

Four types of radiation - all have specific mass amounts
- alpha radiation is the emission of the equivalent of a helium nucleus from an unstable isotope. Very damaging, highly ionizing, stopped by a few inches of air, specific weight known, isotope looses two neutrons and two protons.
- beta radiation is the emission of the equivalent of an electron from an unstable nucleus. Ionizing, stopped by paper, specific weight known, but position subject to quantum randomness.
- neutron - emission of generally 2-3 neutrons per fission or some in neuronic fusion processes (some fusion processes don't release neutrons), most damaging on a per particle basis, specific weight known, stopped with atoms that have a large cross section for absorbing neutrons (more probable to absorb than bounce off) like hydrogen in water or boron
- gamma - high every photon, ionizing, although this is the least damaging, there are generally far more of these hitting you, making them cumulatively more damaging.

All of these can damage DNA. As an aside, flight attendants have the highest rates of radiation exposure out of any profession. Sorry for the sloppy post.

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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

you sure bout that?

Yes, for further reading, see time dilation.
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module4_time_dilation.htm

I'm under the impression GPS receivers are an application of this..
From our perspective on earth, GPS satellites travel closer to the sped of light than we do. Therefore, time passes more slowly on the satellites Cesium atomic clock from our vantage point on earth. I'm fairly certain the GPS receiver accounts for this discrepency when doing delay of transmission arrival and triangulation calculations.
Yes I read about that, GPS systems work like that. If they didn't you'd always be a few miles off course.
 
Science really is awesome. :D
 
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Originally posted by Aquaknot

HanFei - does radiation have specific gravity?  I know it's measured in Rads, but does it have weight?  Is it particles or something like the mystery meat in fast food chicken nuggets - origins and composition unknown?  That's been bugging me for some time.

Edit: short answer yes, mass of photon, neutron, electron or helium nucleus. However, it is I portent to note that as things approach c, like particles being released from fission, mass decreases. I know it's counter intuitive, I may have phrased it wrong, but the principle remains. /edit

Four types of radiation - all have specific mass amounts
- alpha radiation is the emission of the equivalent of a helium nucleus from an unstable isotope. Very damaging, highly ionizing, stopped by a few inches of air, specific weight known, isotope looses two neutrons and two protons.
- beta radiation is the emission of the equivalent of an electron from an unstable nucleus. Ionizing, stopped by paper, specific weight known, but position subject to quantum randomness.
- neutron - emission of generally 2-3 neutrons per fission or some in neuronic fusion processes (some fusion processes don't release neutrons), most damaging on a per particle basis, specific weight known, stopped with atoms that have a large cross section for absorbing neutrons (more probable to absorb than bounce off) like hydrogen in water or boron
- gamma - high every photon, ionizing, although this is the least damaging, there are generally far more of these hitting you, making them cumulatively more damaging.

All of these can damage DNA. As an aside, flight attendants have the highest rates of radiation exposure out of any profession. Sorry for the sloppy post.
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