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    Posted: 19 Sep 2010 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Aquaknot


  • With all that twist & shout, why don't I fall out of bed?
  • Is my life longer or shorter than a life form on an obeject fixed in the ether of space?
  • If I travel back in time, could I miss the mark and find myself floating in the void because I forgot to sharpen my pencil?
  • If I lost a sock 6 hours ago, how far behind me is it?
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1) you stay in your bed because you, your bed and the earth are traveling through the galaxy, universe, etcetera at the same velocity. This is analogous to sleeping on a train. Although the train is moving fast, you too are moving with it. Thus, it appears everything within the train is stationary and things outside move. Yet, from practical experience, we know the opposite is true.
2) Your life progresses slower, relative to an object moving slower than yourself. If you could somehow get to this slower point, your current life, the journey to the slower point and the arrival at the "slower point" would appear to you to have the same rate of passage of time.
3) Yes, especially if the "out" end of the einstein-rosen bridge is neither fixed in space nor time.
4) depends on the changes in velocity and gravitational intensity on both you and the sock. For practical purposes, 6 hours. Edit: wait, that doesn't make sense... Idk /edit

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HanFei - does radiation have specific gravity?  I know it's measured in Rads, but does it have weight?  Is it particles or something like the mystery meat in fast food chicken nuggets - origins and composition unknown?  That's been bugging me for some time.
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Matter moving at the speed of light would have infinite mass and a length of zero.  I suppose going even faster than that would turn your socks inside out automatically.

But, I just added a new style Ether drive to my galactic star cruiser to cut down on the transwarp trips to Alpha Centauri.
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Originally posted by Ether404

one more thing...if by theory, we travel faster than the speed of light, what should we call it?  after all by theory we would then begin traveling through time correct?
"Faster than Light Speed?"
i think we should call it..."Ether Speed"

Ha, very cool name!

Although information can not travel faster than light in a vacuum, particles can go faster than light in a medium. oh, snap! Ha. See cherenkov radiation for further reading.
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one more thing...if by theory, we travel faster than the speed of light, what should we call it?  after all by theory we would then begin traveling through time correct?

"Faster than Light Speed?"

i think we should call it..."Ether Speed"
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Originally posted by Aquaknot

Originally posted by HanFei

 
Yes, both our statements are true. If you increase velocity or gravitational strength on some object A, passage of time slows for A relative to some third party observer, B. However, for the observer in A or B, time appears to pass normally, as we are now. Yet, regaurdless of discrepancies in "the present," both A and B view events who's origins are in the past, as we covered earlier.    

Here's what stirs my pot:  Velocity affecting time relative to the mass in motion.

I am standing on Earth at roughly 30 degrees north.  The rotational speed of the Earth at this latitude is approximately 898.5 MPH.  The object I am standing on is whizzing through space at roughly 66,660 MPH around the solar center.  The solar center resides in the Orion arm of the Milky Way Galaxy and is rocketing around the galactic core at about 492,126 MPH.  NASA estimates that the Milky Way Galaxy is moving through the Universe at approximately 671,081 MPH.

  • With all that twist & shout, why don't I fall out of bed?
  • Is my life longer or shorter than a life form on an obeject fixed in the ether of space?
  • If I travel back in time, could I miss the mark and find myself floating in the void because I forgot to sharpen my pencil?
  • If I lost a sock 6 hours ago, how far behind me is it?
I need a snack-


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If Gravity is a "P" and the Sun is an "H", it makes a FFFFFFF.
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Originally posted by HanFei

 
Yes, both our statements are true. If you increase velocity or gravitational strength on some object A, passage of time slows for A relative to some third party observer, B. However, for the observer in A or B, time appears to pass normally, as we are now. Yet, regaurdless of discrepancies in "the present," both A and B view events who's origins are in the past, as we covered earlier.    

Here's what stirs my pot:  Velocity affecting time relative to the mass in motion.

I am standing on Earth at roughly 30 degrees north.  The rotational speed of the Earth at this latitude is approximately 898.5 MPH.  The object I am standing on is whizzing through space at roughly 66,660 MPH around the solar center.  The solar center resides in the Orion arm of the Milky Way Galaxy and is rocketing around the galactic core at about 492,126 MPH.  NASA estimates that the Milky Way Galaxy is moving through the Universe at approximately 671,081 MPH.

  • With all that twist & shout, why don't I fall out of bed?
  • Is my life longer or shorter than a life form on an obeject fixed in the ether of space?
  • If I travel back in time, could I miss the mark and find myself floating in the void because I forgot to sharpen my pencil?
  • If I lost a sock 6 hours ago, how far behind me is it?
I need a snack-
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Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

you sure bout that?

Yes, for further reading, see time dilation.
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module4_time_dilation.htm

I'm under the impression GPS receivers are an application of this..
From our perspective on earth, GPS satellites travel closer to the sped of light than we do. Therefore, time passes more slowly on the satellites Cesium atomic clock from our vantage point on earth. I'm fairly certain the GPS receiver accounts for this discrepency when doing delay of transmission arrival and triangulation calculations.
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Proven facts.
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by TX2k7

consider everything u see, no matter how close u are to it u are merely seeing the light reflected off that object and with that in mind, u are not truly seeing what u are observing as it exists at that very moment, u are percieving it a fraction of a second after that moment (the time the light takes to reflect off the object and be percieved by u, including the fraction of a second ur brain takes to process the information from ur eyes and send an image back) btw....nice radioactive sybol on the topic syz :D hehehe

Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past.

Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years.

For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful.
But then I could argue that im being less affected by time that you are, if we say time is relative, i can say im moving faster through time than you are therfore I WIN...

Yes, both our statements are true. If you increase velocity or gravitational strength on some object A, passage of time slows for A relative to some third party observer, B. However, for the observer in A or B, time appears to pass normally, as we are now. Yet, regaurdless of discrepancies in "the present," both A and B view events who's origins are in the past, as we covered earlier.    
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me and Trinity tried to keep it that way but certain athiests would rather talk sh1t so i guess we'll just do that now istead. which is acually fine with me at this point!
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Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Originally posted by uc SYZYGY uc

where did you take your iq test a cracher jack box? lol its sincesless to even try to clue U in dude
i like how you try to make everyone out to be mentally retarded.. it's like you honestly believe we are not on "your level". you are narcissistic
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where did you take your iq test a cracher jack box? lol its sincesless to even try to clue U in dude
i like how you try to make everyone out to be mentally retarded.. it's like you honestly believe we are not on "your level". you are narcissistic


its not narcissistic to question someones intelligents! and i think its been me thats been called stupid and retard so when i return the favor just fk'n dill with it k
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One of the purposes of the hadron collider is to attempt to detect the graviton leaving the dimentions as the two particals collide
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Originally posted by TuNA FISh

Originally posted by TX2k7

tuna that topic is still quite hotly debated amongst the scientific community, all they r certain of right now is that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate...speeding up

however while that leads to the conclusion that the universe will continue to expand until everything just drifts apart into cold nothingness (the "Big Rip" theory as i understand it is called) many others accept the possibility that the universe's expansion will slow, stop and then reverse....collapsing back in on itself (the "Big Crunch" theory i believe this one is called)

going off on to a side note, there are some who believe that our universe's origins, the origin of the Big Bang, was the result of another "universe" or possibly even another dimension collapsing in on itself in a "Big Crunch" following a cycle of one universe dies another takes its place....again that's all just hyppothetcials and nothing will substantial evidence just some food for thought, but i know most peoples minds will wonder to the question (contd)


green: everything is "hotly" debated amongst the scientific community :Q

once we understand black holes then we will understand the origins of our universe.

i personally think that they will start studying magnetism more in physics.. so weird to know how powerful gravity is yet you can defy it with a tiny magnet. i wonder if that's what they are going to use when we discover how to make artificial gravity

The only reason gravity apears to be weak is because its origin the, gravaton, isn't in the dimentions we are in, brepth, depth, lenght, time... Its thought to be in the other 7 dimentions...
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Originally posted by TX2k7

tuna that topic is still quite hotly debated amongst the scientific community, all they r certain of right now is that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate...speeding up

however while that leads to the conclusion that the universe will continue to expand until everything just drifts apart into cold nothingness (the "Big Rip" theory as i understand it is called) many others accept the possibility that the universe's expansion will slow, stop and then reverse....collapsing back in on itself (the "Big Crunch" theory i believe this one is called)

going off on to a side note, there are some who believe that our universe's origins, the origin of the Big Bang, was the result of another "universe" or possibly even another dimension collapsing in on itself in a "Big Crunch" following a cycle of one universe dies another takes its place....again that's all just hyppothetcials and nothing will substantial evidence just some food for thought, but i know most peoples minds will wonder to the question (contd)


green: everything is "hotly" debated amongst the scientific community :Q

once we understand black holes then we will understand the origins of our universe.

i personally think that they will start studying magnetism more in physics.. so weird to know how powerful gravity is yet you can defy it with a tiny magnet. i wonder if that's what they are going to use when we discover how to make artificial gravity
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by TX2k7

consider everything u see, no matter how close u are to it u are merely seeing the light reflected off that object and with that in mind, u are not truly seeing what u are observing as it exists at that very moment, u are percieving it a fraction of a second after that moment (the time the light takes to reflect off the object and be percieved by u, including the fraction of a second ur brain takes to process the information from ur eyes and send an image back) btw....nice radioactive sybol on the topic syz :D hehehe

Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past.

Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years.

For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful.

But then I could argue that im being less affected by time that you are, if we say time is relative, i can say im moving faster through time than you are therfore I WIN...
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   may i refer you to the movie Good will hunting? the bar scene. quoting from books you like apples? how you like dem apples?

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Originally posted by -DaGoN-

Originally posted by Heavenly_tRiNiTy

yes Dagon but take for instance if we agree that evolution (mystically appearing to prevail over the existing chaos or randomness of existence) the force that drives us to progress, why does evolution exist IF there is no purpose in progression. Where is it taking us except back into the soil from which we came? Whats the point in progress if it leads to nothing? Why didn't we simply stay at amoeba or simple organisms? Instead we have developed intricate organs and systems that ensure we survive.
Trinity, you're asking me for the point of life.

Absolutely! IF there is no point to life and there seems a purpose to evolution (survival and progression of the species) then thats one hell of a paradox wouldn't you agree? 

While there are purpose-direct explanations, like physiology, within science, not all systems need purpose-directed explanation to exist.

"We explain water phase changes by applying a general principle (law of nature) that articulates a physically necessary connection between the occurrence of a cause of a specified type and the type of effect that must follow. Such explanations differ dramatically from purpose-directed explanations since causal explanations make no mention of purposes or goals, and specify an effect that is a physically necessary consequence of the given cause." - Dr. Austin NCSU

Ergo, life does not need purpose to exist.
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Originally posted by TX2k7

consider everything u see, no matter how close u are to it u are merely seeing the light reflected off that object and with that in mind, u are not truly seeing what u are observing as it exists at that very moment, u are percieving it a fraction of a second after that moment (the time the light takes to reflect off the object and be percieved by u, including the fraction of a second ur brain takes to process the information from ur eyes and send an image back) btw....nice radioactive sybol on the topic syz :D hehehe
Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past. Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years. For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful.


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Says the man whos guess I would trust before most others' facts.


Ha, thanks man.

If you want to read more, the book below talk about this at length around p90 (if memory from earlier today serves).
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Originally posted by HanFei

Originally posted by TX2k7

consider everything u see, no matter how close u are to it u are merely seeing the light reflected off that object and with that in mind, u are not truly seeing what u are observing as it exists at that very moment, u are percieving it a fraction of a second after that moment (the time the light takes to reflect off the object and be percieved by u, including the fraction of a second ur brain takes to process the information from ur eyes and send an image back) btw....nice radioactive sybol on the topic syz :D hehehe

Yes, in short, we are always seeing the past.

Over the flat ocean we can see about 150 miles before the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing further. Since the speed of light in a vacuum is 186,282 miles per second relative to anyone and everything, it takes light from one of the farthest objects you can see on earth ~.0008 secs to reach you. Thus, we are always seeing, as TX2k7 said, the past. Expand this to distances between us and the closest star, Proxima Centauri; and, the difference in time between when the event (light emission) happened and we see it becomes 4.2 light years.

For practical purposes In everyday life, these statement of reality is not particularly helpful - only insightful.

Says the man whos guess I would trust before most others' facts.
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