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Prince Big Woody
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Topic: Watch and Discuss...Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 1:17pm |
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= claiming you're smarter than anyone on this forum as well :o |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 1:19pm |
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@ Val
you sure can xD yea some debates tend to get a little heated i guess we defend what were most passionate about? humor always makes it better though, atleast for me anyway |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 1:22pm |
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hey i added a clause! reffer to *PROBABLY* xD |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 4:20pm |
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deadaim, thank u for all the insults and labels lol u seem to be taking all this quite personal if in every other sentence uv got something new n creative for me. propaganda huh, that funny cuz nowhere in the american media hv i ever heard any such propaganda u claim...(its funny, everyone who believes differently from u is a "propaganda brainwashed liberal know-nothing" to u and out come the insults, way to show people ur bein objective in ur arguments, noob. <- first real insult iv directed at u (not an insult but u get my point)
and yes there were only refugees in that building, even the UN staff working there said hamas was nowhere inside their compound and that even after the people notified the Israelis about this they were still hit with more phosphorus shells. wheres the self defense in that? desperately reaching? i fail to see how its not like im pulln conspiracy theories outta my ass r anythn, but u probably think i believe in those too. but im just gettn off topic here, so now back on topic.... |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 4:23pm |
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so ur basically saying that as long as they defeat the enemy in the end, no amount of civilian casualties is unacceptable. whatever gets the job done right? the US has a similar enemy in Iraq, we could just carpet bomb them 24/7 until we get them all, i mean who cares about the civilians, right? "oh well hamas is doing it too so why cant we?".....anyone whod so willingly fire upon unarmed civilians is pathetic, so dont u go thinkn im defending hamas, im not. but Israel needs to ALSO be accountable for their actions n u seem to disagree with that. like i said, for u, its ok for certain people to do certain things but for others, ESPECIALLY muslims for u, its completely wrong. thats not objective in anyway, and discriminatory. |
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Deadaim
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 4:45pm |
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still dodged my question.. sad. and you basically changed your entire tone.. before it was israel was completely at fault and now its "they need to take some accountability aswell".. i already said both parties had their faults.. you were the one acting like israel was the devil.
and you claim you dont hear that propaganda.. thats BS because i hear it all day long, and its spead by people who dont understand whats really going on, like yourself..
as far as an eye for an eye..thats not exactly what i said.. i was saying dont sit here and lecture israel for taking drastic measure against a terroist orginization that has no boundaries, no limits.. nothing is off limits for them.. the same people you defend are the same people that hide in civilian clothing, the same people that strap bombs to kids and send them to mosques to blow everyone up, the same people that build their military structure right into civilian life specifically to hide.
and yes it is sad.. we have lost alot of good brave soldiers because of their cowardly tactics and the fact we are held to a higher morale ground then they are, that is their #1 weapon against us and they use it to its fullest.. and we bleed and pay for it. kinda like the story i read today on yahoo (extremely liberal) and it was talking about how 6 doctors died in afghanistan on their way to set up a camp to help impoverished afghans.. 6 good smart people that became doctors.. over there trying to help the needy and they were ambushed and killed by taliban.. smh.
they attacked us, and it was over israel, who they have no right to attack us over.. we have every right to defend our country and if they want to hide behind their civilians it is in no way a valid f***ing reason for our troops to have their hands tied behind their back and get killed, which is basically what is going on.
why do i call you names? because you come off so ignorant that i literally HATE people like you, its wannabe self righteous liberals like you that forget about how life really is, and your dragging the entire country into the sewer with you. realists are done with the horse **** you people are talking about.. common sense needs to take back ahold of our country.
but really.. answer my question.. how the f*** do you go around and call me intolerant because i spoke about muslims and yet you had so much to say about christianity.. wheres your tolerance? you are a hypocrit.. to afraid to speak your own mind
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 5:18pm |
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especially the "Trail of Tears," (which happened to my ancestors, in a way) though there might of been worse Native American slaughters. I still don't understand the whole scalping ****, though not all of it was religion and cultural problems. I wouldn't be surprised if Greed was behind most of it. Let's give them the useless or crappy land and take the good land for our "righteous" selves. I recently saw Cheyenne Autumn and it's one of the few Westerns (I used to watch them more when I was younger.) I've seen where the Indians actually aren't villainized or made into barbarians. Hell, it even shows what a lot of them got, ****ty land (desert/ desert-like, in this case, which is nothing like their home in the Dakotas (I presume)). Most of you listed would definitely be religious and cultural intolerance at it's best (worst). Sorry for being off-topic, but Native American thing hits close to home. I'm part Cherokee. Personally, I'd have nothing against them if they wanted to make their reservations into completely independent enclave nations (like the ones (such as San Marino) in Europe), but I doubt they'll even consider that, at this point. |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 5:54pm |
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my opinion on christianity? u mean: http://iAMgaming.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4750&KW=ghostsPN%3D9&PN=10&title=who-believes-in-ghost
and thats being afraid to speak my mind right? and if u read, people did respond to it. that being said, call me wat u will, but i dont hate u for ur religion or for how strongly u feel about ur opinions regarding the subjects of debate. u didnt just speak about muslims, u put ur own bias in ur arguments and have barrated their religion and people with stereotyped lies. not every muslim is the way u see them, u only speak of a minority of muslims. u want more of my views on christianity? i really dont mind telling u....i disagree with the institution of the church, because in the bible it says Matthew 6:6 i believe...."But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you." but i dont hate christians i dont hate Jews, i dont hate Muslims... |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 5:56pm |
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...i dont hate anyone for their religion or nationality. if some does something to me, my anger is towards that person, not everyone who looks like them.
now then...i didnt change my tone, i believe Israel is at fault for their attacks on civilians using chemical weapons that are banned by the UN for aggressive uses like that. that was my argument. n i still will argue that. no im not acting like Israel was the devil, but what they did was wrong, but dont take my argument and say im defending hamas because that is a bad assumption to make. not once did i defend them, they attack civilians too, thats wrong and they should be fully accountable for their actions so ur assumption is wrong. meanwhile in ur arguments u would have it that Israel is beyond reproach or criticism in the matter. so dont flip this on me. and once again ill ask...wheres all this anti-israel pro-hamas propaganda that u claim iv been brainwashed with? cuz i assure u if i hear about something, i do my own research and make an....... |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 5:57pm |
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....intelligent decision for myself. thats means getting info from multiple sources on both sides of the argument (sry ps3 browser has limited typing capacity)...
ignorant u call me? heres ur arrogance again saying that anyone who thinks differently from u is wrong. not very tolerant of other viewpoints... realists huh? u mean pessimists...if u cant imagine a better world, ull never strive towards one...thats sad imo... i agree that many lives have been lost and yes it is sad...that'll be our point of agreement. |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 6:03pm |
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prayer there is one on one time with the Father.
God wants us to fellowship with other believers or have "church"
hebrews 10:24-25
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 6:16pm |
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and thats fine phan, but i know there are some ppl who go to church just to b seen n thats wat i dont like. people will carry out their religion in their own way n thats fine, that was just my viewpoint on the matter.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 6:35pm |
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do not be like the hypocrites who wish to be seen by men. etc etc
go to church because u want to fellowship and u honor God, that should be your motive.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 8:35pm |
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my dad's great grandmother was Creek. pretty cool. i guess that makes me 1/16 native american? my grandmother was talking to me about it a few days ago and told me she was 6 feet tall and mean as a snake lol. i've seen some pictures of her and she was tall edit: took out one of the "great's" it was a typo |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 8:45pm |
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^^^ im 1/32 Osage Sioux
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 8:54pm |
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why don't we just have it right here?? this looks like a "discuss anything that's interesting" thread to me. i don't have time to view this video before i post it because i'm in a hurry but Pumapunku is verrrry interesting. |
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Posted: 11 Aug 2010 at 9:31pm |
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Should we make a thread for Pinnacle's post or a thread for Native Americans in general? As for me, I don't know how much Cherokee I am, though my Grandma always said she was 1/2 Cherokee or something, or was it that her grandma was Cherokee. Ehh.. all I know is that both sides of my family have Cherokee heritage and my mom's side supposedly had an ancestor who was a chief. I also know a fair share of history and when Pinnacle mentioned it, it was something I can relate to, both because of my heritage and because what I've learned about this country's history.
Also, I love how the Spanish treated natives much differently, though they did kill many of them to, both directly and indirectly. With them, there was much more interbreeding and even traditions that were interwoven into the lives of the people who live in Central and South America today. |
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 9:11am |
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plenty of people were painting christianity on here with its most negative points.. and calling all of christianity that and you didnt mention anything about intolerance until the subject changed from christianity to islam.
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 10:46am |
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lol... hmmm
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 12:23pm |
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okay then ... I start
Indeed, I do not believe in Darwin's theory about the human evolution.
Even if this "evolution" started millions of year ago I do not believe that men come from apes. That would mean what? That the apes of today will turn human in some other millions of years?
Also the scientist never found the "missing link".
I never heard of Pumapunku before but I watched this video and it's absolutely amazing.
I don't think that the "zoo theory" is so incredible.
If it's so incredible, how could we explain the pyramids, the aztec temples, the maya civilizations etc ?
Those people, with basic means, built marvels ... thousand of years ago!!! Their science and imagination was more developed than ours today in some domains (examples : architectural structures & astrology). Their monuments are still up today ... I doubt that the statue of liberty, the eifel tower or any other thing that we built these last 200 years, will still be there in 2000 years.
Maybe the "zoo theory" is THE answer ... I don't know, I cannot prove it, BUT what if there is no missing link ?! What if an alien civilization choose this planet because it showed a certain potential?
This is not unbelievable to me
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 12:52pm |
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well, the apes living today will definitely not turn into humans in millions of years because they don't live in the same environment that we evolved from. i know they found a fossil that is apparently one of the first fossils of a monkey/lemur that could walk upright. i mean it's super old, like 70 something million years which is crazy
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 12:54pm |
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they say that everytime they find a fosil
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 12:55pm |
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your vid is just like every program Tuna, poses questions that may not be answered here on earth, at the end! is the truth about alot of things!
thats my point about some science. its only the truth as we precieve it to be atm! the more scientists learn, the more they will realise there wrong! so its hard to base a discussion or debate about religion on science when science is still correcting its own mistakes and looking for new answers! modern science is still in its infantcy imo. my intent wasn't to bash science! it was to correct any mis-statements that may emply that science disproves GOD exists! if anything science is finally leaning towards the idea that there's something more! that everything wasn't created randomly! which is pretty dam logical to begin with! |
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 1:00pm |
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scientics always disaproved what they were not able to prove ... until they proved it
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Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 1:01pm |
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it would definitely be freaking awesome if we were a colony of an advanced alien race. imagine when our star begins to die, what would we do? we would most likely try to colonize habitable planets/moons around the surrounding stars
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