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    Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 11:50pm
If God is that powerful and can see EVERYTHING, then he knows what you are going to do, he knows what is going to happen to you, he has the power (supposedly) to change anything at will!   Then yes, God is the source of all things Good, Evil, diseased.....  And with that note, thats not someone I want to meet! 
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Originally posted by TX2k7

Originally posted by TX2k7

Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...
would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?

id still like some input on my question, just dont want it to be forgotten. iv read every post after it n unless i missed 1 i dont think anyone has responded yet.
anyways, id like some feedback as i feel it is a valid question.

thank you
From what i remember reading, is that those who dont know of God (athiest) will fair better than those who do know, but dont follow!  Its been a while since I read that, but as far as i can remember thats accurate!
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tx to much is given much is required. If you rejcted christ you are w.o excuse and lunchy's paraphrase was about right.

and God knows everything, but not everything is ordained by Him.
due to free will, his integrity requires Him to allow things to play out. But he provides the remedy, (hell for satan) (Jesus is for man)
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I'm pretty drunk right now and I'm sure I am about to offend a bunch of people but let me just say this: Grow the f*** up, why are people still believing in fairy tales that are thousands of years old and have absolutely ZERO evidence to support them? Religion was humanity's first attempt at philosophy and consequently used as a device to control people. In no way does any of this superstitious non-sense apply to people living in the 21st century. Give yourselves some credit guys, you don't need some bullsh1t text to tell you right from wrong..... don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't know that killing another man was immoral if it wasn't for the ten commandments. Enjoy life for what it is and don't walk blindly through life because a 53 year old virgin told you it was a righteous thing to do. I've exhausted my interest in this thread because it is a futile endeavor to try to alter another persons beliefs (especially over the internet). At the very least I hope I have allowed believers to understand my point of view. 
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tx to much is given much is required. If you rejcted christ you are w.o excuse and lunchy's paraphrase was about right.and God knows everything, but not everything is ordained by Him.due to free will, his integrity requires Him to allow things to play out. But he provides the remedy, (hell for satan) (Jesus is for man)

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Free will of humans does not explain evils of nature.

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Originally posted by TX2k7

Originally posted by TX2k7

Originally posted by Paw

Oh and lets say thisWhat if Im right, and your wrong?your f***ed, you burn in hell for the rest of ETERNITY! there is no end, end is no longer a wordbut if your right and im wrong, were in the same boat, same thing that happens to you goes for me...
would a truly loving God so easily damn a non-believer (or even followers of a different faith) whos lived a moral and just life?
id still like some input on my question, just dont want it to be forgotten. iv read every post after it n unless i missed 1 i dont think anyone has responded yet.anyways, id like some feedback as i feel it is a valid question.thank you


@ TX
there's no way of knowing how we will be judged! there's no way of knowing what GOD forgives or considers unforgivable!

the way i choose to think of Christianity is like this. GOD was fed up with all mankind and ready to forsake us all. Jesus believed there was still hope for us so GOD allowed him to take responsibility for all of us.

it would be like your son bringing his friends in your house, and they keep acting like jerks until you say that you don't want them in your house ever again. but your son loves his friends and believes there not really bad, so he asks you to allow them to come in. you tell him ok but there totally his responsibility! meaning if they act like jerks he's the one your going to blame.

Jesus's words is the only thing i focus on. not the whole bible because Jesus is Christianaty and anything before him was part of why he had to die on the cross. just look at his words and try to tell me he wasn't a very special being. we all fail in comparison! think of the time he lived in and what was going on at that time. Rome was occupying Isreal, yet he still preached, love thy enemy.

its impossible to know the asnwer to your question TX. but your question is 1 of many that man has asked for thousands of years.

i'll be 47 in November. ive been married for almost 27 years to a woman that everyone considers the best person theyve ever met. i have three great kids and 2 awesome grandkids. my grandson is next to me eating cookies and watching a starwars cartoon atm lol my granddaughter is still getting her beauty sleep xD

i don't know what i ever did to deserve the love i get from my whole family but i must be doing something right? lol

i believe i owe it all to Jesus Christ! if i die tomorrow i'll die a happy man thinking how i was blessed in life and hoping with all my heart to get the chance to meet and thank him for the life he has given me.

its beyond me to prove that GOD and Jesus Christ exists! my point in what i just posted about my age and my family is this.

ive lived my life the way i seen fit to live it without worry'ing about being perfect or how im viewed by others while treating others with respect and taking time for them when they need me for something. i don't judge anyone period! its not for me to judge someone! even though im never perfect or or even close, im treated special by most everyone i know 4 some reason?
and i don't know why? i credit it to Jesus being in my life!

i have made mistakes some big some small but doubting Jesus was never one of them. ive believed in him my whole life and too this day i havn't seen one negative thing thats come of it!
im absolutly 100% positive that im a better man for it!!!






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thks Phan..i wasn't trying to confince anyone of anything in any of my posts except don't take science as an absolute fact.

there's alot of people out there some even in the scientific community with alterier motives to try to discredit religion and some of them are very clever!

to not believe is one thing, but to plot against religion is something totally different! i believe leading our youth away from GOD is what some of them have in mind! im by no means a radical, finatical or even a activist for my religion.

alls im saying is to just realize that everything isn't always as it seems. figure things out for yourself when you can and when you haft to rely on someone elses knowledge of any subject don't be too sure about what they tell you.
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syzygy....the same can be said about some of the faithful plotting against science or even against other religions. so its not a one sided deal.
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figure things out for yourself when you can and when you haft to rely on someone elses knowledge of any subject don't be too sure about what they tell you.

i agree but take a step back for a second...who was it who first introduced u to the bible? most likely ur parents right? and we know that the bible was written by men and has had a few different versions throughout history. yet u rely on these peoples knowledge. im not saying its a bad thing. faith in anything can give us hope and can help us cope in difficult times.

iv read through this thread and have seen alot of very close minded posts & people, from both sides and its disheartening, this "im right and unless u believe what i believe, ur wrong" mentality. its great to be able to believe in something (be it religion or scientific study) and to be strong and have conviction in those....
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...beliefs, but its another thing to close ur mind off to anything thats not in line with what u believe. its just a path to ignorance. every faith, and every culture around the world has much to offer. closing ur mind to it is perpetuating ignorance. u can listen, learn and share views with different people without losing who u are and what u believe.
dont just 'tolerate' other beliefs & cultures, its merely the ego still wanting to believe that ur better than someone, but hiding itself.
learn from each other, expand ur mind and spirit, but stay true to urself.
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see TX assumtion is the mother of all fk ups! ive never read the bible! thats one reason you can't throw me in with your average bible beater. ive gotten my knowledge through other means over the years. and i know enough to make up my own mind. im sure i must of got some of my initial ideas about Jesus from my parents when i was young but as im sure you can tell im my own person.

as far as being closed minded goes? i found that part of your post quite hillarious! im very open minded. and correct me if im wrong but i think i see some intellectual arragance in your posts? not that it matters or pertains to the descussion. just an observation. i simply live my life and i don't try to tell anyone how to live there's.

science has produced a lot of great things and some horrible things in the process. there's a ballance and some moral issues that needs to be taken into consideration where science is concerned.
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syzygy i wasnt refering specificaly to u bout the close mindedness, i meant throughout this thread iv seen it from both sides of the argument.
also i did not type that feeling arrogant in any way. i genuinely meant wat i said as my hopes that people can get to a point where they share their beliefs, not debate whos is better.
i didnt say any of that thinkn i was better for thinkn that way or anythn n id b a hypocrite if i did. iv been close minded and still am at times though i do my best to be open with everything.
im not perfect, and in no way do i feel that im better than anyone else. i apologise if my post came off as arrogant.
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"and in no way do i feel that im better than anyone else"... u sure as hell aint better than me thats fo'sho! :O lol jokes hehe
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Originally posted by TX2k7

syzygy i wasnt refering specificaly to u bout the close mindedness, i meant throughout this thread iv seen it from both sides of the argument.also i did not type that feeling arrogant in any way. i genuinely meant wat i said as my hopes that people can get to a point where they share their beliefs, not debate whos is better.i didnt say any of that thinkn i was better for thinkn that way or anythn n id b a hypocrite if i did. iv been close minded and still am at times though i do my best to be open with everything.im not perfect, and in no way do i feel that im better than anyone else. i apologise if my post came off as arrogant.


no apollogy needed my man! intellectual arragance is one of my worse flaws. it annoys the hell out of my wife at times. lol

i just thought we may have had something in comon lol

being open minded is great but in my experience there is a need at times for a more narrow focus. it would take to long and too many pages to explain just what i mean by that in detail.

1 example would be Christianaty. if i was undecided on a religion i would need to be totally open minded while studying the different religions. but i am a Christian so i need to fucus on my religion and not someone elses.

another example would be females. if i was looking for a wife i would need to be sort of open minded lol but i have a wife so i need to focus totally on her and tell all the other females to eat your heart out. very hard to do by the way!

as far as being better or looking down on someone goes. thats not me! i know you were speaking i n general terms and not towards me i just wanted to clerify that.










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Yep, this is officially a religion thread alright.  At this point, it might as well be a part of Paw's thread.  Where are the ghost whispers now?  As I said before, I'm still partial on them existing.  In other words, I believe there's a chance they exist, but science can't prove it yet, just like with religion.  Then again, I doubt we'll ever be able to prove or disprove God exists.  I'd say there has been a fair share of "miracles" that we still can't explain and those might go on being unexplained.

Honestly, I'd rather just stay right here in middle, as an Agnostic.  I have my beliefs that both might exist, but I also have my doubts on both subjects.  There's been a fair share of unexplainable events/ things relating to both.

If I had to say what I believe is more likely to exist though, it would be God.  However, I believe ghosts, given they do exist, are much closer to being discovered.  I'd figure the technology might be finally capable of proving them in 10-20 years.  The thing is, with science, what might be proven true or false with an older technology might be reversed with later technology.  You have to remember science is still limited by the technology.  Anyhow, if ghosts are ever proven to exist, I'm banking on an accidental discovery.
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