Who Believes in Ghost ???

Originally posted by ReverendCrow Originally posted by env_1ner It's funny how this went from ghost stories to religions. We all know that it's a topic that can never be won just like sports. But there is a guy at my job that says that we are all living a dream. That we are not even here . I don't know what u call that but he told me some crazy ****. what hes saying is based on fictional movies i forone do believe in ghost from past experiences but i do not believe in the thing people call "God" i for one do not believe in someone where people dont know what to call him so they call him "God" a god is a deity thats not his  true name i know theres names for him like yhvh or yhwh or even allah in hebrew but people say allah and God arent the same person. t@trendy science and religion do go side by side   Religion= people make beliefs on what they can NOT explain with no hard evidence or anythingScience= is the opposite of religion they try and figure out a logical explanation for everything for life itself on this planet and the possibility of life on other planets

How do. U explains Fog u telling me this guy does not excist? Mr song and movie writer.

I've enjoyed everything you guys have posted thus far, but am concerned about the "quick and easy" approach to separating religion and science.  In short, as you've said earlier, the "Separation by Foundation" argument reads, "since religion is based on faith and science is not, the two are separate spheres."

The seemingly rational principle of  minimal evidence reads, "if you have no evidence for a statement, then such a belief is irrational."  Yet, such a construct facilitates the unrelenting question, "why?"

While requests for justification are typical, there is a rational point for termination of justification.  Such points and the assumptions beneath them are foundational; statements that do not require justification.  As an example, when I, under normal circumstances, make the statement I am sitting on a red chair, someone could ask me to prove it.  Although I could attempt to explain many of the factors that create my perception of the chair from macro concepts like gravity to micro concepts of neurochemistry, the chain of logical justification falls apart when we try to explain why matter takes up space.

Using 16 particles, quantum chromodynamics (aka the standard model) explains everything all of space around us and the most basic interactions between particles in that space.  Yet, this construct, however accurate and powerful, cannot explain why particles occupy space/have mass.  Ergo, the principle of minimal evidence falls apart; a belief that matter takes up space cannot be explained by the standard model, is foundational (does not require explanation) and rational.

Although religion takes many things on faith, so too must professional scientist by using foundational beliefs.

• It is reality and not a vivid dream creating my perception
• I have lab assistants that are other sentient beings and not a result of an mental illness
• The matter around me occupies space and has mass

Separation by foundation is poor; any rational being takes many things on faith.
Sorry for the long post...  I hope you enjoyed it.

Post submit edit: to echo aquanot, unless someone gives you a good reason to disprove your belief, you don't need to prove it.

Below are the 16 pieces of the standard model:

One time a sexy ghost came in my room at night and she did some naughty things to me.

Just as not all Christians are a prime example, Neither are all scientist educated as well as others. But does the folly of one person who believes in God should be accounted for all others that do as well? I've known you for quite some time Trendy. And I didn't take a Bible and shoved it down your throat. I understand that each person has their own God given free will. And they will do what they please. So unless a person seeks God, I don't see the point in forcing the subject on them.

Yea, you got some serious phonies out there, you got abunch of crooked ass people making a profit off false doctrine. I will not disagree that religion has been used to control the masses, and used to satisfy the sinnister desires of those who control it. But religion is vastly different from Christianity. Christianity is not a religion, its a relationship.

The video you posted of course makes the attempt to make people percieve that the Word of God must be evil, or twisted.

Acts 10:34 THen Peter opened his mouth, and said. Of a truth that I percieve that God is no respecter of persons.

Simply meaning, what He said several thousand years ago. He means the exact same thing today. I know you like to flaunt the ''intelligent'' people to use in the video. But as brilliant as a person can be, They can still be foolish. For example, didn't Albert Einstein do silly things like forget his umbrella on a rainy day? Forget to shower and groom himself? I mean wouldn't you agree that if you have an umbrella. And you do not use it on a rainy day....that would kinda be a foolish thing to do would it not? But anyhow.

Everyone has free will. To become a doctor and save lifes, or become a lunatic and murder people. You say that ''How about all the times I have been told that I am going to hell if I do not accept Jesus''

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Jesus refering about coming to know God, and how to gain entry into the Kingdom of Heaven)

So yes, if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, your options are kinda limited. Now im sure you are thinking ''well this is bull****, just because i don't follow some dudes rules that i don't even know. I get punished for this?'' Something along those lines. Well it all boils down to free will. God has created free will because He is just. I mean, if He controlled you and MADE you do everything He wanted you to do. That would kinda defeat the purpose of free will wouldnt it? I mean that would be like having a car. And instead of driving it, you actually put it in neutral and instead push it to your desired location. That would kinda defeat the whole purpose. Some Bibical scholars qoute ''Hell is proof that free will exist''. Well even the Angels of heaven must of had free will. Because Lucifer was a Angel, and not just any angel. He was the optimus prime of Music in heaven, and lead the choir to praise and worship God.

And of course the infamous question ''Well if Lucifer is the center of evil, why didn't God just destroy him''. Well, while I nether any entity that exist can comprehend the mind of God. God did create free will, and gave it to all his creations. So even though Lucifer rebelled and waged war against God, and was utterly defeated. God didn't just snuff him out of exist because then He wouldn't be just. If he did, well then you would see alot of people just being eriddacted from existence because they are not doing exactly what God wants them to. Kinda like if God didn't want you to go spend your money at a bar *POOF* your gone from existence. They would be a bery lame existence to exist under such regulation.

''Yea well if God created everything, that includes evil'' Well considering what I said in the last paragraph. If you bore a child, and you raise them and teach them good values and to be a nice person. Then they turn out to be another Charles Manson, should you be labeled ''The Husband and Wife who birthed evil''? I mean, as much as you teach a child, in the end that have the free will to do anything they want to. Im sure you have alot of parents always tell their children to do this or that, yet that do it anyway.

Seperation of ''Church and State''. I dunno about you, but 99% of the time the word Church its affilated with Christianity. Now if it was called ''Seperation of religion and state''. I would percieve it as refering to multiple belief systems. Im sure you can elaborate on this if you want.

Ok well now lets flip the table. Science is only real, religions is nothing more than a bunch of big'o'stinky doo doo heads. Ok well I mean perhaps I may have missed something. But are not modern day physicist begining to admit that the world of quantum physics is reacting to the EXPECTATION of the Observer? They are not realizing that this Universe, this exist we dwell in is not really made up of such solidity? That the very fabric's of space and time are actually malleable? Even in string theory they come to the conclusion that 11 dimensions must exist for string theory to be correct? 11 Dimensions? Human beings can barely comprehend the 3 of space and 1 of time that we already exist in.

Science is simply the ''Human language and human understanding of how the universe,existence works''. Science is simply our language to ourselves on defining and trying to understand our existence is the way it is. The more discoveries that mankind makes, the more question we had than we did before. The more we understand, the more we can to realize how LITTLE we truly know about our existence/universe. Believe it or not that are several ''non-believers'' I admire for their intelligence. I search the inner depths of science. Theew are several intelligent people who i watch videos and read about who think the existence of God is a foolish notion. Why? Because I want to find that irrefutable proof of the existence of God. I can absorb their own knowledge, and interupt it with the Word of God. Only to make the truth that more of a realization than before.

For example, a man by the name of Robert Anton Wilson. A very intelligent man, with an amazing message for the open minded.






You blindly believe that science will possess all the answers you are seeking. I may be a Christian, but I am still skeptical. I say, come prove to me God does not exist. Yet your kind always end up empty handed.

Science is truth? Tell me, in science you must use instruments to study and verify your theorys and hypothesis. Through trail and error yes? Tell me, what happens when you must justify and verify the validty of the instruments themselves? What happens when you take the MOST basic instrunments that are used by human beings to understand the universe? Touch, Taste, Smell, Sight, Hearing? We we are all humans, and are all equal? How can I justify and verify the validity of your perception? How can I do the same with my own perception? When we all have the same instruments? The only way to verify and justify the validity of the most basic human instrument we need an entity superior to human beings.

False realise as Robert Antom Wislon said. ''What I can see, touch, taste, smell, hear is real'' You may percieve the grass as green, and I may percieve as red.

There is a reason why humans, cannot and will never understand the Universe.

For example, take video games. There is not such thing as a perfect video, there are some that are just downright freaking awsome. But somewhere there is a folly. Human beings, being the flawed creation we are. We cannot create a perfect construct. Whether it is a Movie, Book, Car, House, Video Game, Coporation, etc etc etc. But you see, this universe is perfect. The existence we dwell in is perfect. Flawless to the last molecule and sub-atomic. Think of it for a moment, have you ever noticed how our universe is in such a flawless harmony? Like a talented musician that never misses or skips a note. Albert Einstein himself was fascinated with the Harmony of our Universe. To him it seemed more like a beuatifully constructed creation, than random probabilities of chaos and cosmic accidents. So in part, a flawless universe as we exist in was created by a flawless entity. God.

''Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'' - Ablert Einstein

When questioned about the big bang, the theory that but an inummerable chance that our exisetence was created by sheer chance Albert Einstein replied ''I do not believe the Good Lord places dice''

''I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts: the rest are details'' - Albert Einstein

God is an entity, that is vasty beyond human comprehension. God is beyond the comprehension of any entity to exist or ever exist. God is limitless, omniscient and ubiquitous. And I believe Albert Einstein knew it, and believe he could withdraw infinite knowledge and wisdom from God.

Lets go back to the begining with Adam and Eve. You could look at the event of the Serpent tempting Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. The Serpent told Eve that if she ate from the apple, she would be a god herself. And be like God, as powerful and mighty as He is. But it has always been mankinds journey to become in possesion of power yes? Because knowledge is power correct? God did not command Adam and Eve to keep from the tree of knowledge because He was trying to keep them from becoming powerful, or strong, or mighty. God was not excluding them out of more ''fun''. For the want of a better word. God commanded them not to because He knew that possessing knowledge of everything does not lead to joy, and happiness. I am not saying that knowledge is evil. But is it needed to enjoy life? Is knowledge of the Stars and the Cosmos necessary to enjoy a date with your signifcant other? Is the knowledge of quantum physics needed to hold your own son/daughter in your arms and simply smile at the magnificant life you helped create? Not its not. God wanted to keep it simple for us. and let Him do all the hard work.

Humans are God's children made in His image. He loved his children, and wanted to shield us from the harmful elements of the universe. Would you not shield your own child from the harmful elements of this earth? Or would you simply leave your child out in the cold season to perish?

You ask where the existence of God is? Where is the scientific proof? Where is the cold hard evidence? You insist on making everything so damn complicated. When all you have to do is walk outside. Look around you and feel the Sun illuminate the green pastures and warm your body. Witness as the winds slowly sifts through the pedals of flowers and blades of the grass. Wait and listen...and in the presence of light you will hear the Voice of God.

I am not here to say I am right, and you are wrong. As I qouted by robert anton wilson. Percetion is a gamble. I do my best to interupt God, but utterly i cannot. Only God can fully interupt Himself. We in the english language call him God. In Hebrew He is called Yaweh. But there is an entity that exist, that is our creator. That is eternal, that has no begining nor end. He is the Alpha and Omega, He is the King of Kings and Lords of Lords.

I am cililized. Or you may percieve me as mad. But please, if there error in my reasoning. Then correct me.

Originally posted by Hey_Look_its_Trendy Ghosts are not f***ing real. If the video wasn't enough to at least question your own experience (i.e. the guy who just woke up from being blacked out, you obviously were not functioning normally) ask yourself this: why do ghosts always have their clothes on? Do their clothes die too? I mean honestly, ghosts do not have any mass or energy and are therefore physically impossible. The paranormal is just bull****. Stop with this nonsense and concentrate on things that actually matter and exist.

actually its just an experience i had; a story that happened to me, i dont really intend on proving what happened is real, it was just something that happened to me, there is NO REAL PROOF that what i saw were ghosts, but i saw this thread and just shared a story, so in the end like i said previously it was just an experience i had , it might have been a hallucination i dont know. it did trip me out when it happened though

cant believe soo many ppl here believe in science lol if we "really" came from the monkeys, why havent more evolve ????

Originally posted by SilverJ-17 This takes the cake for the longest post imo.  I didn't even feel like reading more than a quarter of it.  Should we rename this thread the God, the Ghosts, and the Supernatural in general?

good idea these posts are too long & hurting my head

Originally posted by LuciFer Originally posted by AK-47-D-MAFIA cant believe soo many ppl here believe in science lol if we "really" came from the monkeys, why havent more evolve ????   i guess mikey brennan bridges the evolution gap ;)

lmfao xD

Originally posted by Aquaknot Religion: not provable Evolution: unproven theory   Both are fascinating to study.  Neither will be solved in this thread.   Interesting how many people are willing to take a stand for or against something they fail to understand fully.  A great many Scientists and Theologians have dedicated entire lifetimes to both of these subjects without ever offering a final conclusion.  Yet, many of us carry on as if we have the final answer or are the authority on both.   Personally, I focus on taking care of my family and dreaming about being more tomorrow than I am today.  Seems to have worked for me so far...

Actually, evolution may as well be labeled a fact. There is just about the same amount of evidence as there is for the Earth being round as there is for evolution. The fossil record alone clearly lays out the undeniable evidence for and history of evolution.

I could write a ridiculously long post laying out everything we know about evolution, but I honestly do not have the time or patience for it. I will just leave it like this: anyone who claims that evolution is "just a theory" or that it is not "proven" has clearly never read anything on the subject that was published by a reputable source. Learn the facts, then argue.

Are you kidding me? My post is fact, we have thousands of transitional fossils on record that explicitly show how entire species evolved and their different stages. It hasn't been observed because the evolutionary process takes thousands and thousands of years. Think of evolution as a crime scene: you didn't witness it take place, but all the evidence is there. The scientific community recognizes evolution as a fact and anyone who disagrees has been easily discredited. I'm not trying to talk down to people, I just hate it when someone spouts an opinion on a subject that they know nothing about (btw this includes you).

At least, we are more than Turkey.  haha

Originally posted by Aquaknot Here's a fact I'll restate for you.  IT IS AN UNPROVEN THEORY.  It's also a theory that will not be proven on a gaming forum.   Show us the complete line of transitional fossils for modern humans.  Give us a link to the complete lineage of transitional fossils for modern apes, or ANY mammal alive on the entire planet.  Can you do the same for the fishes of the seas?  How about the insects or reptiles?  Can you explain why the "common ancestor" of any divergent species failed to survive?   In fact, I will be fascinated to see the "explicit" proofs detailing the complete transition of a single species through it's entire evolutionary path.  I think we can all agree that this would be major scientific news.  Of which, we have heard none.  If you can't provide these proofs, I believe it is you who is mistaken.   Again, you state that you are not talking down to people and then take a jab at me by indicating this is a subject I know nothing about.  I've been around the block once or twice and just may be better informed than you may be aware.  Gosh, I may have even studied this subject and I just might have a degree in it.  Since you don't know me, you have no idea and take cheap shots because you do not have the proofs necessary to bolster your argument.   The rub here Trendy is that we are arguing whether this is a scientific theory or not, which is absurd.  Of course it's a theory.  I suspect that any text you have read includes the word "theory" in the preface.   Debasing me won't change the facts.  Your opinion as to whether this should be labeled a fact or theory won;t change the FACT that it's a theory.

The fact that evolution is labeled as a theory does not change FACT that evolution is true. I am not trying to take cheap shots at you, it's just that based on what you have posted so far it seems that you do not have a clear understanding of the reasons why evolution has such overwhelming evidence to support it. I've honestly exhausted my interest in this subject because like you said, no one is going to change their mind over an internet forum.

you know monkeys have about 98% human DNA,,,or something close to that,just a cool fact cus someone just mentioned a chimp